UK Politics

[lost]

Galloway Doesn't like Jones either. Says he's an identity politican not a socialist.

 

 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, lost said:

Galloway Doesn't like Jones either. Says he's an identity politican not a socialist.

 

 

 

People's front of Judea or Judean people's front.

 

(imagine if they'd called Israel Judea instead?!)

[lost]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

(imagine if they'd called Israel Judea instead?!)

 

They did. Thats pretty much the problem now. I thik it was Hadrian who renamed it Palestine from judea to break the link with the Jews living there. Same dude who built the wall.

Edited May 6 by lost

[pink_triangle]

57 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Anyway, I hope Labour win, but I hope they have to work with others too.

That’s the bit of your opinion I struggle with the most. You want labour to work with others, but the parties they could theoretically work with (SNP and Lib Dems are not going to push them to more progressive policies. I think you are after an idea that works in your head in theory, but would disappoint you in practice.

[pink_triangle]

23 minutes ago, lost said:

Galloway Doesn't like Jones either. Says he's an identity politican not a socialist.

 

 

I haven’t got a clue how interested Owen Jones is in Gaza , but I think the label of identity politician is pretty fair. They are well off, middle class people after clicks who would be happy in opposition forever.  I’m glad these people now have less influence in labour.

[Neil]

Is Swinney the SNPs Liz truss?

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, lost said:

 

They did. Thats pretty much the problem now. I thik it was Hadrian who renamed it Palestine from judea to break the link with the Jews living there. Same dude who built the wall.

I'm sure it's called Israel 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I haven’t got a clue how interested Owen Jones is in Gaza , but I think the label of identity politician is pretty fair. They are well off, middle class people after clicks who would be happy in opposition forever.  I’m glad these people now have less influence in labour.

What is it with middle class people? 

[steviewevie]

15 minutes ago, Neil said:

Is Swinney the SNPs Liz truss?

 

He's Rishi Sunak

[pink_triangle]

25 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

What is it with middle class people? 

Nothing Starmer is one as well, but he is more interested in making things better for other than getting likes and retweets.

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Nothing Starmer is one as well, but he is more interested in making things better for other than getting likes and retweets.

 

No he isn't, his dad was a tool maker and he likes football. 

[steviewevie]

Now Lee Anderson, that's proper working class.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

Nothing Starmer is one as well, but he is more interested in making things better for other than getting likes and retweets.

he doesn't suffer from vanity which corbyn had big time.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Now Lee Anderson, that's proper working class.

proper scum.

[Nobody Interesting]

12 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

That’s the bit of your opinion I struggle with the most. You want labour to work with others, but the parties they could theoretically work with (SNP and Lib Dems are not going to push them to more progressive policies. I think you are after an idea that works in your head in theory, but would disappoint you in practice.

 

Greens, Plaid, SDLP all have more progressive policies than Labour and Lib Dems of recent have, to me, moved more left than them.

I also think that lots of  Labour supporters have  a theory that Labour will be wonderful and sort everything out but will disappoint in practice.

[fraybentos1]

58 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Greens, Plaid, SDLP all have more progressive policies than Labour and Lib Dems of recent have, to me, moved more left than them.

I also think that lots of  Labour supporters have  a theory that Labour will be wonderful and sort everything out but will disappoint in practice.

How do you rate labour’s last stint in government?

[Ommadawn]

11 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

How do you rate labour’s last stint in government?

They might not have born then.

[steviewevie]

 

[Nobody Interesting]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

How do you rate labour’s last stint in government?

 

Depends if you want to know 'at the time' or with a lot of looking back.

At the time they seemed to be doing OK and loads got loads better - they had a lot of really good 'radical' (at that time) policies which some worked well others less so. War based on lies was always a bad thing and that was something I never supported and never will in future.

Looking back though after the sand settled and we could see what the consequences were some of the good ones were not that good at all and lumbered the taxpayer with huge ongoing debts (PFI's). Was selling all our gold a good idea - but then has selling all our infrastructure proven to be a good idea?

That's a brief run through cos to do it properly for the entire 13 plus years would take  along time but in a  nutshell they were a lot better than what came before but lacked in many areas and caused long term problems with other policies/actions.

How did you rate them?

[Ommadawn]

I agree with the comment about looking back. PFI seemed a good idea at the time but schools and hospitals are a still paying off the cost each year. I was listening to an article on Radio 4 a few weeks back where a head teacher was straddled with a maintenance contract costing the equivalent of a couple of teachers each year. He reckoned he could get the same service for half the price but couldn't get out of the contract. His playing field (lucky man) had the grass cut regularly even during the Winter to keep it to the regulation length and all minor maintenance had to be cleared first and undertaken by someone from the maintenance company (even changing a plug)

I presume we don't mention the Iraq war and the lies that were told or the acceptance of Bernie Ecclestone's bribe.

Edited May 7 by Ommadawn

[Nobody Interesting]

2 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

I presume we don't mention the Iraq war and the lies that were told. 

 

I wish more would mention this - and the mess this war created in the world.

Hussain was  a vile git but he kept even more vile gits under control. Getting rid of him based on lies helped to created the Islamic terrorist groups we have now.

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

A really interesting article. I've read before about the fight to rescue Labour from Corbynism but this is usually portrayed as betraying Labour values. This shows Starmer's Labour is still connected to its roots in workers lives and concerns.

[lost]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Depends if you want to know 'at the time' or with a lot of looking back.

Was selling all our gold a good idea 

announcing to the market you were going to do it wasn’t. Sent the price down to a multi decade low. 395 tonnes sold over 17 auctions from July 1999 to March 2002, at an average price of US$275 per ounce.

 

current price  $2315.

[Neil]

4 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Greens, Plaid, SDLP all have more progressive policies than Labour and Lib Dems of recent have, to me, moved more left than them.

 

its easy to promise to do nice things when everyone knows they won't be doing any of them, 

 

4 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

I also think that lots of  Labour supporters have  a theory that Labour will be wonderful and sort everything out but will disappoint in practice.

much better than false promises, as the greens have most seats in Bristol council, i expect the bristolhousing crisis fixed by next week, else they've lied.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, lazyred said:

A really interesting article. I've read before about the fight to rescue Labour from Corbynism but this is usually portrayed as betraying Labour values. This shows Starmer's Labour is still connected to its roots in workers lives and concerns.

 rescuing from stupidity isn't possible when some choose to remain stupid. lets all vote green, and then turn off our computers cos the greens don't have a realistic net zero plan.