UK Politics

[Neil]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

ok...maybe they did...but you can't remember who said any of it because maybe the criticism from corbynites was not actually as vitriolic as you think...whereas everyone knows and hates Owen Jones.

i can remember lots of corbynites complaining that comment & opinion pieces were allowed in papers, can't remember which corbynites, can also remember they had no problem with supportive comment &opinion.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

ok...maybe they did...but you can't remember who said any of it because maybe the criticism from corbynites was not actually as vitriolic as you think

yeah it was they hated people to know the truth about him, i could do som esearching on here  (its not worth it!) and expose some of the people who said it

- hang on, you protest too much. 😛 

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

whereas everyone knows and hates Owen Jones

but not enough to criticise him on a consistent basis, which didn't happen with the complaints about comment/opinion.

[Justiceforcedave]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

unfinished business apparently

...the British economy is still just about alive.

[Neil]

just been shouting at a numptie on fb who says he's a construction worker and is earning three times more since Brexit without as much competition so will keep voting ukip! - can't account for unintelligence, it was the Tories who f**ked up construction workers wages with the house price crash in early 90s. 

hes trying to boast to me whe's about to go three days a week so I've said i was smart enough to get out years ago and have gone zero days already and thanks for his taxes. 😛 

[Neil]

Still shouting at these kippers, lastest is ....

 There are so many Cameron held masonic meetings in the house of commons they run the country"

Gets stranger and stranger.

[mattiloy]

9 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

well Guardian is I guess a centre left paper, but has a columnists with a range of opinions from left to right, but obviously most are kind of lefty. The paper has been mostly supportive of Labour, but some times also critical of it's policies and whoever is leader, from Blair to Corbyn to Starmer. I don't remember any particular jounalist or opinion writer who was critical of Corbyn who gets anywhere near the amount of sh*t Owen Jones does..whether for him being critical of Starmer or his pro trans takes etc...but at same time I think Jones kind of is up for it, he's always all over social media, and seems to love an argument and can get in a right strop. I sometimes find him annoying it has to be said, but at same time he is passionate and makes a lot of valid points....as do many of the same people who were critical of Corbyn.

 

The guardian is a liberal paper. Its opinion pieces are usually indiscernible from the main liberal paper over here Dagens Nyheter. It gives a little space to leftists such as Jones and Monbiot but a cynic could say that this is sort of balance-washing in the same way the beeb will throw a leftist on question time once every blue moon. Jones is hated because he uses the little space he gets as a soapbox to campaign and usually to amplify issues that both the right and the liberals don’t like. Also because he himself can be quite belligerant in his media appearances, presumably knowing as he does that in the clickbait landscape that this is the best way to amplify those views. It’s probably his celebrity thanks to that and his bestsellers that means the guardian keeps him on despite his polemicism as regards their usual editorial position. In the end, loathe him or love him, I guess people care enough about what he writes to buy the paper. The same can’t be said for the other dullards they have on columns.

Edited April 15 by mattiloy

[Neil]

55 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

. Jones is hated because he uses the little space he gets as a soapbox to campaign and usually to amplify issues that both the right and the liberals don’t like.

i see the corbynites haven't forgiven him yet!!

he called your man  out as the sh*t he was, that you never noticed and still haven't!.

[Neil]

57 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I guess people care enough about what he writes to buy the paper. The same can’t be said for the other dullards they have on columns.

not true, as a paper its self funded for how many centuries!

guardian readers don't want an unthinking paper they'd get the express or socialist worker if they did.

socialist worker started reprinting its 2010 editions in 2018 and no one noticed for two years. 😛 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

 

The guardian is a liberal paper. Its opinion pieces are usually indiscernible from the main liberal paper over here Dagens Nyheter. It gives a little space to leftists such as Jones and Monbiot but a cynic could say that this is sort of balance-washing in the same way the beeb will throw a leftist on question time once every blue moon. Jones is hated because he uses the little space he gets as a soapbox to campaign and usually to amplify issues that both the right and the liberals don’t like. Also because he himself can be quite belligerant in his media appearances, presumably knowing as he does that in the clickbait landscape that this is the best way to amplify those views. It’s probably his celebrity thanks to that and his bestsellers that means the guardian keeps him on despite his polemicism as regards their usual editorial position. In the end, loathe him or love him, I guess people care enough about what he writes to buy the paper. The same can’t be said for the other dullards they have on columns.

if the left wants to win it needs to be good enough to win which isn't about (sewelectively*) blaming the papers because the left isn't good enough.

if the left wants to blame losing on ( all the fault of  comment/opinion writers)then i look forward to the likes  of mattiloy crediting owen jones and the guardian  for stammer winning

Edited April 15 by Neil

[Neil]

i hear there's a Glasgow gig for Gaza  - i know he's a rangers hero but isn't this just divisive. 😛 

[Neil]

Mad Liz Truss has  endorsed trump to win. 

[steviewevie]

This use of liberal by lefties as a slur...not sure what they mean. Cheney used to also use it against the Democrats. There's social liberals which are all groovy and progressive and I guess on the left, and then there are economic liberals which are pro free market, less state intervention and on the right. The polling sweet spot in red wall seems to be both socially and economic illiberal. Liz Truss is a massive liberal, as is Rees Mogg. Blair, Johnson and Cameron quite liberal too. When comes to social stuff Owen Jones is a f**king huge liberal. Anti lockdown people were liberals. People who want to legalise drugs are liberals. People who want a smoking ban aren't. Anarchists and libertarians are uber liberal. As for The Guardian, quite liberal on social stuff, not that liberal on economic stuff. 

[lost]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

The polling sweet spot in red wall seems to be both socially and economic illiberal.

 

Yes whilst the young that dominate the internet space probably prioritize the socially liberal stuff over the left wing economic stuff. They'd probably call the post war labour types of the 1950's far right or gammons.

Edited April 16 by lost

[Nobody Interesting]

Just watched BBC Newscast interview with Liz Truss.

Good grief.

What an arrogant, deluded, smug person she is.

No guilt, no remorse, just blaming everybody but her with a huge whiff of her own self importance.

 

Heaven help the UK if she and her followers were to ever gain power again.

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

This use of liberal by lefties as a slur...not sure what they mean. Cheney used to also use it against the Democrats. There's social liberals which are all groovy and progressive and I guess on the left, and then there are economic liberals which are pro free market, less state intervention and on the right. The polling sweet spot in red wall seems to be both socially and economic illiberal. Liz Truss is a massive liberal, as is Rees Mogg. Blair, Johnson and Cameron quite liberal too. When comes to social stuff Owen Jones is a f**king huge liberal. Anti lockdown people were liberals. People who want to legalise drugs are liberals. People who want a smoking ban aren't. Anarchists and libertarians are uber liberal. As for The Guardian, quite liberal on social stuff, not that liberal on economic stuff. 

truss is a fruitcake.

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Neil said:

truss is a fruitcake.

 

a liberal fruitcake.

[Ommadawn]

36 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

Are they calling Stamer a tool? Bit rude if so. 🙂

[steviewevie]

DEEP STATE

 

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

DEEP STATE

 

Why is Braverman there and not in the commons where she is being paid to be?

Why does Farage go to Brussels to talk about things 'that matter to British people'?

So many questions about a room full of nationalists spouting their hate

[steviewevie]

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Edited April 16 by steviewevie
wrong thread

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Farage always seems to be in the right place at the right time. This stupid police raid is a gift.

[Nobody Interesting]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Farage always seems to be in the right place at the right time. This stupid police raid is a gift.

Farage, the twunt who first said they would have to 'drag him off the stage' and then 60 seconds later rushed out a side door flanked by his personal security saying he did not want confrontation.

One persona for the media
Another for reality