UK Politics

[steviewevie]

 

[Crazyfool01]

Ok as Ozanne has clearly left and is unable to speak for himself on the matter it’s probably fair on him that the discussion goes back to the topic . I’d hope that whatever has been said not a single one of us knows how or what he feels and even in disagreement I’d hope that we’d unite in wishing him well 

 

Thanks all back on topic please 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Ok as Ozanne has clearly left and is unable to speak for himself on the matter it’s probably fair on him that the discussion goes back to the topic . I’d hope that whatever has been said not a single one of us knows how or what he feels and even in disagreement I’d hope that we’d unite in wishing him well 

 

Thanks all back on topic please 

That mean someone hit Report?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

That mean someone hit Report?

No is just fair and reasonable as he’s not here 

Edited May 30, 2024 by Crazyfool01

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

No is just fair and reasonable as he’s not here 

sure....

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

more liked and at same time disliked than Corbyn...because of her being a black woman.

of course it was that and just that, and nothing to do with her lifetime saying stupid things (stupid things similar to that letter). the people who want to regard themselves as anti-racists, have reduced abbott to being just a skin color!.

[steviewevie]

So...i news saying that Labour insiders saying they are doing this purge in case they win with a small majority....I guess if they struggle to get their fascist policies passed they could rely on Lib Dem MPs and not those pesky socialists sitting behind them.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

of course it was that and just that, and nothing to do with her lifetime saying stupid things (stupid things similar to that letter). the people who want to regard themselves as anti-racists, have reduced abbott to being just a skin color!.

well before that letter she received a huge amount of abuse

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Because he was super loyal to Starmer no matter what and he got a lot of sh*t for it.

 Deleted before the MODS get to it.

Edited May 30, 2024 by Ommadawn

[Neil]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well before that letter she received a huge amount of abuse

a lot of it cos shes said similarly stupid things for all of her parliamentary career. most famously something about private schools, with her kid at a private school, and then calling the people who pointed out her hypocrisy 'racists'.

[lazyred]

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

If you think that a single percent of Labour’s majority comes from anything other than the conservatives being a total binfire for the last few years and the UK being a two party system, you’re just not getting it.

 

I would be amazed if one single voter decides that yes axing Abbott is the final drop, now I will vote Labour.

When you follow political news it is easy to think everyone else is doing the same. Regular polls asking people to say what they remember of recent news shows this is not true.

It is not enough for the Tories to be sh*t, voters need reassurance that Labour won't revert to Corbynism.  Perceptions matter more than policies. UK elections show voters will pick sh*t Tory if they aren't sure about Labour.

 

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Meanwhile many in her constituency will decide yes axing Abbott is the final drop, now I will not vote Labour.

 

Labpur support is now more even;y distributed across the country. Losing Hackney to gain 10 suburban marginals is worth it.

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, lazyred said:

When you follow political news it is easy to think everyone else is doing the same. Regular polls asking people to say what they remember of recent news shows this is not true.

It is not enough for the Tories to be sh*t, voters need reassurance that Labour won't revert to Corbynism.  Perceptions matter more than policies. UK elections show voters will pick sh*t Tory if they aren't sure about Labour.

 

 

Labpur support is now more even;y distributed across the country. Losing Hackney to gain 10 suburban marginals is worth it.

abott remaining within labour is where ". UK elections show voters will pick sh*t Tory if they aren't sure about Labour".

[steviewevie]

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Maybe not but at least someone has tried to be honest rather that the constant lies and twisted truths we all now get.

Then we get into the thinking that it’s better to be in opposition forever and have that warm, fuzzy feeling. It’s fine for well off lefty intellectuals to think that way, but it doesn’t help the vulnerable in society.

 

When I voted for Starmer for labour leader I  took his pledges with a pinch of salt, knowing he would move towards the centre when elected. Honesty would have given us RLB as leader and labour heading nowhere.

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, lazyred said:

When you follow political news it is easy to think everyone else is doing the same. Regular polls asking people to say what they remember of recent news shows this is not true.

It is not enough for the Tories to be sh*t, voters need reassurance that Labour won't revert to Corbynism.  Perceptions matter more than policies. UK elections show voters will pick sh*t Tory if they aren't sure about Labour.

 

 

Labpur support is now more even;y distributed across the country. Losing Hackney to gain 10 suburban marginals is worth it.

 

What is your point here? Because it sounds like its the same as mine, and then you reach a contradictory conclusion.

 

I agree that most people are at best vaguely aware of the news cycle. But thats exactly why its a sh*t move.

 

Redwall Man will not hear about the abbott stuff. On the off chance that he does follow victoria derbyshire on twitter, he’s already decided the tories cant run a bath so I’ll go labour, or i really love brexit and hate the boats so I’ll go tory. He may pause to have a chuckle at the woman who got her sums wrong that time being done over. Thats it. It will have absolutely no bearing on whether a marginal somewhere north of the humber falls for labour or not.

 

Meanwhile in Hackney its big news, everyone will be aware of it and many are not gonna be happy. Vote loser.

 

Do you see?

Edited May 30, 2024 by mattiloy

[Neil]

42 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Do you see?

i see people twisting the facts and the knife because their own take has failed.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

Everything going well then.

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

 

Everything going well then.

for the toriers with their little tory helpers.

[Neil]

cos i moved a few weeks back, i just registered with a new GP, it'll be interesting to see how different the service is, my last GP was dreadful, impossible to get an appointment.

[lazyred]

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

What is your point here? Because it sounds like its the same as mine, and then you reach a contradictory conclusion.

My point is redwall man will watch the nine o clock news and see Diane Abbott has been sacked. He will think good I didmt like her. It wont affect anything because they have already decided to vote Labour or Reform. What it wont do is scare them back into voting Tory. 

[Neil]

27 minutes ago, lazyred said:

My point is redwall man will watch the nine o clock news and see Diane Abbott has been sacked. He will think good I didmt like her. It wont affect anything because they have already decided to vote Labour or Reform. What it wont do is scare them back into voting Tory. 

correct, it makes labour less objectionable too; small factors can have a big impact across the country.

[LJS]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Then we get into the thinking that it’s better to be in opposition forever and have that warm, fuzzy feeling. It’s fine for well off lefty intellectuals to think that way, but it doesn’t help the vulnerable in society.

 

When I voted for Starmer for labour leader I  took his pledges with a pinch of salt, knowing he would move towards the centre when elected. Honesty would have given us RLB as leader and labour heading nowhere.

Pretty disappointed in you, PT. Endorsing lying to win elections. We have had our disagreements over the years but I did think betterof you.