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[Guest]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I admire your optimism, I really do.

It’s because I can genuinely see a chance for Labour and Conference feels to me like it’s going positively for the most part. It might all go wrong but with how things are in the country and the potential winter we have coming up we could see a different picture in a few months.

*disclaimer* my optimism has been proven very wrong before. See - I thought Glastonbury would go ahead in 2020 & 2021 😂

[steviewevie]

PR commitment has been defeated. Those pesky unions were against.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’s because I can genuinely see a chance for Labour and Conference feels to me like it’s going positively for the most part. It might all go wrong but with how things are in the country and the potential winter we have coming up we could see a different picture in a few months.

*disclaimer* my optimism has been proven very wrong before. See - I thought Glastonbury would go ahead in 2020 & 2021 😂

yeah, I was thinking that tory conference would be a post pandemic brexit and boris party, but events may sour that a bit! I expect they will look a lot more united than labour though.

Edited September 27, 2021 by steviewevie

[Guest]

PR defeated as Steve says but they seem positive about their future of travel.

 

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

It's actually been a pretty decent day for Labour.

 

Would hate to see a bad day!

[steviewevie]

PR opinion.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/27/proportional-representation-labour-party-lib-dems

[squirrelarmy]

16 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Would hate to see a bad day!

Seen plenty of them in recent years

[Guest]

 

Some detail of what Labour have announced today.

[steviewevie]

The conferences when Corbyn was leader were fairly successful in showing unity weren't they? Can't remember that well. I do remember his first one and he was obviously new to it all, reading out prompts from autocue he shouldn't be etc., but that kind of made him more endearing, something different, less polished.

I'm old enough to remember when Kinnock took on the left/militant types in his speech in early/mid 80s, really brave, some people cheering, some booing, some walking out, drama. Starmer would never do that. Kinnock was a great speaker, shame he he didn't actually win.

And, talking about conference speeches, remember May's from a few years ago...the cough, the P45, the letters fallng off behind, now that was amazing. I actually felt really sorry for her during that, despite her being tory scum.

Edited September 27, 2021 by steviewevie

[Neil]

Anyone wondering why the NHS is struggling, from where I'm sat there's endless make work going on. They can't cover the basics but they can arrange endless appointments for things you don't know you need or they don't say why they think you neeed them. 

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The conferences when Corbyn was leader were fairly successful in showing unity weren't they?

Apart from the death threats to Jewish mps. 

[steviewevie]

So, are labour really better off if they don't split? Even with fptp they could still form a coalition, right? The whole thing has become ridiculous. The conference is two different political parties fighting each other, pretending they're all labour. Just split ffs.

[Guest]

 

 

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

Apart from the death threats to Jewish mps. 

oh yeah, apart from that.

[fraybentos1]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

So, are labour really better off if they don't split? 

Obviously. 

The non tory vote is already split enough fs

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Paul Mason thread (I like Paul Mason, although he has pissed many off on left for supporting starmer and daring to be critical of Corbyn's handling of antisemitism, but he knows that labour needs to be a broad coalition of left and centre and everything inbetween...and doesn't like way Starmer is taking things over recent weeks. I just like his cheesy leftwingness, and his optimism).

 

[mattiloy]

On 9/27/2021 at 11:32 AM, fraybentos1 said:

Had no idea you voted Nandy! Thought you’d have been an RLB man all day long?

By fringe views I meant being further left than almost all of the electorate, which I think is fair to say is true.

Tbh as much as I’d love PR and Labour sometimes flirt with the idea. They will never implement it. No party is gonna vote to destroy themselves and their nice safe seats. Why would they?

RLB was just a bit shit. Thought Nandy was the one to unite the party, stay on a decently left course, make the case for a better brexit and win back the red wall. Wasn’t to be. But tbh she may well have betrayed her voters too. Its difficult to trust anyone who isn’t red or dead after Starmer’s Judas act.

So long as PR is in the gift of the PLP  you’re probably right. Its stacked full of slippery careerist fuckers.

Its comical that Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger left Labour when at risk of being deselected, joined the change independent w*nks and then when that wasn’t working joined the lib dems, and then after all that have ended up doing PR, washing the dirty corporate laundry for JP Morgan and Edelman. Pair of jokers. These are the moulds of the people Starmer wants to stuff his PLP with, his government with. The slimiest careerists going. Professional w*nkers.

 

On another note - saw the Bakers union disaffiliated from Labour after 120 years being a founding union. Party of workers my arse. Party of little geeks and wannabe Goldman Sachs advisors.

Edited September 28, 2021 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

57 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Party of little geeks

no way to talk about those £3 membership trots.

[steviewevie]

blah blah blah

[steviewevie]

Seems to be two conferences running in parallel...one with starmer as leader, the other with corbyn as leader. Enough of this bollocks, just fucking split!

Edited September 28, 2021 by steviewevie

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Seems to be two conferences running in parallel...one with starmer as leader, the other with corbyn as leader. Enough of this bollocks, just fucking split!

 

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Looks like a winner.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Keith's big day today. Some will be hoping it's a great success, and others will be hoping it's a todal disaster. Whatever he says both sides will think they've been proved right.