news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

where have you seen that?

was reported on radio4

[Neil]

labour politicians spaffing money.

 

bristol has just spent £50M+ doing up its main concert hall, i went there last night to see a band and could barely notice a difference from when i was last there. 😞 

 

more money than sense.

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

israel thought they had a 'serious' deal the other day till Hamas pulled the plug. can't see Israel  getting into that again quickly.

[lazyred]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

There's reports of a deal thrashed out in Paris. Hamas have said they'll look at it to be implemented in stages. The Isreali comments might just be politics to reassure people they aren't giving away too much. Also keeping a security watch over Gaza similar to the West bank isn't the same as full occupation.

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, Kurosagi said:

RIP Bazza

 

2 hours ago, fred quimby said:

I for one will miss Barry the fish. I know he wound some up but enjoyed his position and content.

The only thing I'm going to add to what crazyfool has already said that the ban had nothing to do with his expressed political views. It's worth emphasising that in the first 5 years where I was a mod I argued with him repeatedly on political issues here and he never once got banned for any of that behaviour.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, lazyred said:

 Also keeping a security watch over Gaza similar to the West bank isn't the same as full occupation.

no, just partial occupation...it is hardly accepting Palestine as an autonomous sovereign state.

[lazyred]

42 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Win for UK/DUP...the EU does budge after all...

 

One of the problems is the EU being stricter at the GB/NI broder than other entry points to the single market. They are entitled to do it of course but we are still very close to their standards so it is a deliberate tactic. Possibly they do it so they have something to give away in negotiations like these

Edited January 30, 2024 by lazyred

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lazyred said:

One of the problems is the EU being stricter at the GB/NI broder than other entry points to the single market. They are entitled to do it of course but we are still very close to their standards so it is a deliberate tactic. Possibly they do it so they have something to away give in negotitions like these

the problem was that a border had to go somewhere...this seems to be the best fudge possible.

[lazyred]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no, just partial occupation...it is hardly accepting Palestine as an autonomous sovereign state.

I agree but they keep launching rockets and grooming teenagers to stab people on buses.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I agree but they keep launching rockets and grooming teenagers to stab people on buses.

well yeah..not sure bombing the f**k of them helps though, unless the plan is to kill everyone.

[Skip997]

Just now, steviewevie said:

well yeah..not sure bombing the f**k of them helps though, unless the plan is to kill everyone.

At least half of Gaza's buildings damaged or destroyed, new analysis shows

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68006607

[lazyred]

Paris deal to be discussed by Hamas in Cairo. Isreal were involved in the talks with US, Qatar and Egypt

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-discuss-gaza-ceasefire-proposal-cairo-israel-palestine

[fred quimby]

28 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

 

The only thing I'm going to add to what crazyfool has already said that the ban had nothing to do with his expressed political views. It's worth emphasising that in the first 5 years where I was a mod I argued with him repeatedly on political issues here and he never once got banned for any of that behaviour.

Aye, certainly would know he wouldn't have been banned on that.

[lazyred]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

the problem was that a border had to go somewhere...this seems to be the best fudge possible.

I think we'll end up with something close to Theresa May's deal, perhaps even a customs union when Labour win.

[kaosmark2]

21 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Aye, certainly would know he wouldn't have been banned on that.

I just wanted to make that completely and unequivocally clear to anyone reading.

[Neil]

52 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no, just partial occupation...it is hardly accepting Palestine as an autonomous sovereign state.

If given autonomy it throws bombs over the fence. That's not a secure Israel.

[Neil]

26 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I think we'll end up with something close to Theresa May's deal, perhaps even a customs union when Labour win.

I think you're hoping for too much. A custom's union would come with other obligations (perhaps free movement) that would be a step too far if not an explicit part of Labours manifesto.

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

If given autonomy it throws bombs over the fence. That's not a secure Israel.

How do you know?

It's never had autonomy.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

If given autonomy it throws bombs over the fence. That's not a secure Israel.

yeah well obviously that would be part of any deal towards a 2 state solution...

[steviewevie]

Just now, Skip997 said:

How do you know?

It's never had autonomy.

they gave them a bit more autonomy when pulled out of Gaza and look what happened...

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

How do you know?

It's never had autonomy.

Gaza has just not sovereign autonomy. It was self governing and the bombs kept coming over the fence. Why would Israel agree to being bombed?

[Skip997]

Just now, Neil said:

Gaza has just not sovereign autonomy. It was self governing and the bombs kept coming over the fence. Why would Israel agree to being bombed?

Why would Gaza agree to be effectively imprisoned with goods and personnel only leaving at the whim of Israel. Why would Gaza agree to have it's olive groves and orchards destroyed, have it's land stolen by Zionist "settlers", have it's water supply turned on and off at the whim of Israel, have it's youth arrested and imprisoned with no charges (because they haven't done anything other than be Palestinian) etc etc 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Why would Gaza agree to be effectively imprisoned with goods and personnel only leaving at the whim of Israel. Why would Gaza agree to have it's olive groves and orchards destroyed, have it's land stolen by Zionist "settlers", have it's water supply turned on and off at the whim of Israel, have it's youth arrested and imprisoned with no charges (because they haven't done anything other than be Palestinian) etc etc 

I guess best way to resolve that would be to go into Israel and kill a load of Jews and take a bunch more hostage, and make sure film it so can upload clips on social media. 

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Why would Gaza agree to be effectively imprisoned with goods and personnel only leaving at the whim of Israel. Why would Gaza agree to have it's olive groves and orchards destroyed, have it's land stolen by Zionist "settlers", have it's water supply turned on and off at the whim of Israel, have it's youth arrested and imprisoned with no charges (because they haven't done anything other than be Palestinian) etc etc 

Why would it l? For a ceasefire and a chance to rebuild from the much greater destruction it brought on itself by the October 7th attacks.

[steviewevie]