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[Guest]

I saw stuff about comedians too but I dunno how true it is. 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Crazyfool01

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

there's a march to rejoin this weekend I think .... wasn't it the biggest march of 2 million people marching to remain ....

Yeah and look what that achieved. Should have kicked off.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah and look what that achieved. Should have kicked off.

Poll tax riots ?

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah and look what that achieved. Should have kicked off.

Now then!!

31 March 1990 Trafalgar Square

Poll Tax demo, it "kicked off", poll tax was defeated

 

[Nobody Interesting]

5 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Now then!!

31 March 1990 Trafalgar Square

Poll Tax demo, it "kicked off", poll tax was defeated

 

and all of this is why they want to ban protests or  make them so hard to have that it is pointless.

If they did not work they would not want to stop them happening.

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

and all of this is why they want to ban protests or  make them so hard to have that it is pointless.

If they did not work they would not want to stop them happening.

True

I was at the poll tax demo/riot. Of course there were people there who were up for a bit of trouble, but in the minority. I traveled down on an organised coach from Manchester, which was mainly occupied by "your average law abiding person" of all ages. The anti-poll tax feeling was widespread.

IMO it was actually started by the police, who attacked a large group sitting outside Downing St gates. I just happened to be at that location so witnessed it.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

and all of this is why they want to ban protests or  make them so hard to have that it is pointless.

If they did not work they would not want to stop them happening.

It was definitely unpopular.

But was it the protest that forced Tories to kick out thatcher and replace the policy?

Incidentally I was in centre of London following the protests and the place was f**ked and my mate had police all over him when he was taking a packet of polos out of his pocket.

[Neil]

51 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Only because they were too stupid and/or lazy.

The proper information was out there and not too difficult to find.

it was, but too many preferred to go with their prejudices instead.

[Skip997]

Just now, Neil said:

it was, but too many preferred to go with their prejudices instead.

All sorts of excuses/reasons were given by leavers, but ultimately it was xenophobia/racism.

[Neil]

16 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

All sorts of excuses/reasons were given by leavers, but ultimately it was xenophobia/racism.

that was a big part of it, but the eu is such A BIG BEAST EVERYONE COULD FIND THINGS TO BLAME IT FOR.

[Gnomicide]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

I saw stuff about comedians too but I dunno how true it is. 

This has prompted a speculation frenzy:

 

[Crazyfool01]

Remembering on this best not to speculate  in terms of individuals and yes im guilty as charged and will be editing some posts 

[Guest]

Labour have committed to votes for 16 year olds.

[steviewevie]

It was a scam?

[cellar]

7 hours ago, Skip997 said:

Now then!!

31 March 1990 Trafalgar Square

Poll Tax demo, it "kicked off", poll tax was defeated

 

Looks like BarryFish at the front there

[steviewevie]

so...Russell Brand has come out defending himself so looks like him and two others. Brand supporters already saying it's part of "them" getting him for telling the "truth" etc etc. But not sure about this trial by media thing, shouldn't this be done in a court of law?

[Neil]

just had a phone call from DWP (on a Saturday 😛 ), my ESA claim is sorted and i should be paid next week. 🙂 

[Neil]

15 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

This has prompted a speculation frenzy:

 

guess that might be the Russel brand thing. 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

8 minutes ago, Neil said:

just had a phone call from DWP (on a Saturday 😛 ), my ESA claim is sorted and i should be paid next week. 🙂 

Cool. When I first claimed ESA it took nearly 2 years to get it sorted.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Cool. When I first claimed ESA it took nearly 2 years to get it sorted.

no assessment needed for me(and no diary) - mine is probably quite simple based off other stuff, like my top rate of pip, indisputable disabilities, etc.

[Neil]

why do they call a doctors note signing me off a "fit note"? seems mad to me, they were always a sick note.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Neil

[charlierc]

I presume this has already been discussed but feels like if you were going to commit to building HS2, there's a million better ways to go about it. At the very least, building a new rail line connecting northern cities poorly served between one another might have been a better use of their time.

Leaving it as just West London to East Birmingham feels like an awful lot of money for little reward.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, charlierc said:

I presume this has already been discussed but feels like if you were going to commit to building HS2, there's a million better ways to go about it. At the very least, building a new rail line connecting northern cities poorly served between one another might have been a better use of their time.

Leaving it as just West London to East Birmingham feels like an awful lot of money for little reward.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

why do they call a doctors note signing me off a "fit note"? seems mad to me, they were always a sick note.

They are supposed to say what work you would be ft for. Doesn't need a doctor to do one now. Apparently even a pharmacist can

[Nobody Interesting]

17 hours ago, steviewevie said:

It was definitely unpopular.

But was it the protest that forced Tories to kick out thatcher and replace the policy?

Incidentally I was in centre of London following the protests and the place was f**ked and my mate had police all over him when he was taking a packet of polos out of his pocket.

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It made  a difference, impossible to know how big but it did.

Todfay in Scotland there are climate protests - peaceful so far but there are elements there who might not stay that way...........

and the organiser, when asked why they were there said 'politicians have told them they need to so that those who make decisions will see public opinion and force them to act' and that includes 'disorder',.

So politicians tell us protests work, but we know they do................ else why do they want to ban them?