news & politics:discussion

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Brexit...  if there was ever something to prove people can't admit they was wrong it would be Brexit...

next up for that, is Scottish, & welsh nationalism!

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

next up for that, is Scottish, & welsh nationalism!

Unless they were both back in EU and not governed by an English Tory govt.

[Neil]

53 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Unless they were both back in EU and not governed by an English Tory govt.

nothing except much bigger economies would stop them hurting themselves far worse than tories ever would.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

nothing except much bigger economies would stop them hurting themselves far worse than tories ever would.

but at least it will be self harm

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but at least it will be self harm

that won't reduce the pain or stupidity of it, like it doesnt with brexit.

[steviewevie]

But they'll be free...and as with Brexit that is the most important thing (not to me btw).

[clarkete]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Unless they were both back in EU and not governed by an English Tory govt.

That would be a nice luxury if we had the choice of going to Wales or Scotland and being back in the EU though - even if the nats annoy Neil 😉 

[BobWillis2]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Brexit...  if there was ever something to prove people can't admit they was wrong it would be Brexit...

Brexit and lockdowns 

[Ryan1984]

Seemed to be quite a lot of love for Johnson and the Tories on Question Time (from Romford) tonight. Imagine that will be reflected in results next week.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Seemed to be quite a lot of love for Johnson and the Tories on Question Time (from Romford) tonight. Imagine that will be reflected in results next week.

The Question Time audience isn’t really representative.

[Guest]

No PM with Johnson’s rating has ever gone on to win the next general election. 

[BobWillis2]

8 hours ago, Ozanne said:

The Question Time audience isn’t really representative.

But twitter and yougov polls are 🤣

[Neil]

9 hours ago, clarkete said:

That would be a nice luxury if we had the choice of going to Wales or Scotland and being back in the EU though - even if the nats annoy Neil 😉 

chosen stupidity annoys me.

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, Neil said:

chosen stupidity annoys me.

you must get annoyed a lot then.

[steviewevie]

57 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

But twitter and yougov polls are 🤣

isn't that what yougov are actually aiming to be, representative?

[Guest]

Just now, steviewevie said:

isn't that what yougov are actually aiming to be, representative?

I wouldn’t, they are bad faith actors.

[steviewevie]

All a bit desperate...but I'm sure some of it will cut through

 

[clarkete]

43 minutes ago, Neil said:

chosen stupidity annoys me.

It's not hard to see how many people from the other nations could see how little the UK government care did for them (now more than ever) and read the opinions of all too vocal little englanders empowered by that arrogant government and think "christ, surely we don't need these eejits" 

[lost]

8 minutes ago, clarkete said:

It's not hard to see how many people from the other nations could see how little the UK government care did for them (now more than ever) and read the opinions of all too vocal little englanders empowered by that arrogant government and think "christ, surely we don't need these eejits" 

In 2020/21, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £13,414. In England, it was £13,166 (2% below the UK average). This compares with: • Scotland: £14,842 (11% above the UK average) • Wales: £14,222 (6% above the UK average) • Northern Ireland £15,357 (14% above the UK average).

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04033/SN04033.pdf

Edited April 29, 2022 by lost

[Neil]

16 minutes ago, clarkete said:

It's not hard to see how many people from the other nations could see how little the UK government care did for them (now more than ever) 

 

i want to feel hard done by with an extra two grand a year spent on me and mine. lol 

just because their wants don't get  absolute priority (cos there's others in the mix) doesn't mean they're badly treated.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Neil

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, lost said:

In 2020/21, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £13,414. In England, it was £13,166 (2% below the UK average). This compares with: • Scotland: £14,842 (11% above the UK average) • Wales: £14,222 (6% above the UK average) • Northern Ireland £15,357 (14% above the UK average).

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04033/SN04033.pdf

I mean these arguments can be made till the end of time...but the reality is the whole of UK is dependent on London money because the way the UK economy is structured, and that breaking away will likely cause short term pain but in long term things would be beneficial..like Ireland.

[lost]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I mean these arguments can be made till the end of time...but the reality is the whole of UK is dependent on London money because the way the UK economy is structured, and that breaking away will likely cause short term pain but in long term things would be beneficial..like Ireland.

Yep but like it or not there are 3 global cities in the world. London, New York and Hong Kong (HK probably to be replaced by Singapore as the CCP as ruining it) London and the SE generate a surplus and this money is redistributed around the UK. For the nations to leave they need replace this somehow. This "well we can simply create a more successful economy" seems to come from the same school of thought as "you can repair a economy but can't bring people back to life" comments during covid like its so simple and poor countries are choosing to be poor for a laugh or something.

We've lost part of our economy for going on 18 months during covid and now have a lower standard of living for the majority.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I mean these arguments can be made till the end of time...but the reality is the whole of UK is dependent on London money because the way the UK economy is structured, and that breaking away will likely cause short term pain but in long term things would be beneficial..like Ireland.

yeah, but thats hardly the english putting themselves first at scotts expense, which is the Nats'  myth.

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

t in long term things would be beneficial..like Ireland.

that was due to the EU having shit loads of money to give to Ireland, and after 80 years of financial pain for Ireland, too, the EU  doesn't have huge sums to gift anyone now, so the same wouldn't happen.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Neil