U.S. Presidential Election

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

It's the economy stupid not helpful to Harris...

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

It's the economy stupid not helpful to Harris...

Although maybe will mean interest rate cuts soon which could help Harris...

[maelzoid]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

It's the economy stupid not helpful to Harris...

I have been anticipating a stock crash all year. It has been overheated for too long, it was going to happen sooner or later and it could play into Trump's hands.

 

It's mental to think that the Nasdaq nearly doubled compared to its peak pre-Covid, so that's factoring in the economic hit of the pandemic. 

 

But, that said, although the markets may drop, there's a good chance they will still be higher than they were when Trump left office, so that's a strong argument. Also, as we are now less than 4 months away, the stock market drop may be too late to have real-world effects on the majority of voters who only feel these things once a recession properly takes hold.

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, maelzoid said:

I have been anticipating a stock crash all year. It has been overheated for too long, it was going to happen sooner or later and it could play into Trump's hands.

 

It's mental to think that the Nasdaq nearly doubled compared to its peak pre-Covid, so that's factoring in the economic hit of the pandemic. 

 

But, that said, although the markets may drop, there's a good chance they will still be higher than they were when Trump left office, so that's a strong argument. Also, as we are now less than 4 months away, the stock market drop may be too late to have real-world effects on the majority of voters who only feel these things once a recession properly takes hold.

but people just look at now...and if looks like US heading for a recession, or near enough...that will further help Trump and his attacks on Biden being a disaster for the economy.

How much this affects ordinary voters I guess will be key.

[steviewevie]

and should get a VP pick this week, apparently between Shapiro, Kelly and Walz. I don't know much about them except Shapiro popular in PA and jewish, Kelly was an astronaut, and Walz is a teacher and maybe will do well in rust belt and maybe a bit more progressive.

[charlierc]

34 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but people just look at now...and if looks like US heading for a recession, or near enough...that will further help Trump and his attacks on Biden being a disaster for the economy.

How much this affects ordinary voters I guess will be key.

Weirdly the service sector reported just now that they had better than expected growth in July, suggesting the US overall economic growth was still there in July. So there's already a few conflicting signals.

 

Guess we need a few more days to see which way the wind is truly blowing.

[FloopFiller]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

and should get a VP pick this week, apparently between Shapiro, Kelly and Walz. I don't know much about them except Shapiro popular in PA and jewish, Kelly was an astronaut, and Walz is a teacher and maybe will do well in rust belt and maybe a bit more progressive.

Apparently she’s chosen her VP now and they’ve accepted the offer.

 

Walz is the guy who came up with the ‘they’re weird’ line and seems to have become incredibly popular since. Just seems like a really cool regular dude.

 

Think it’s gonna be Shapiro myself. Republicans seem to really fear him cause he’s an insanely charismatic guy, often compared to Obama in the way he speaks, although seems to have a few bits of controversy behind him which have people worried - being Jewish he’s very pro-Israel and has said some pretty dodgy sh*t regarding it in the past, amongst other things. 

[FloopFiller]

Trump doing TikTok dances with this dipshit now. Truly desperate:

 

[charlierc]

18 hours ago, steviewevie said:

but people just look at now...and if looks like US heading for a recession, or near enough...that will further help Trump and his attacks on Biden being a disaster for the economy.

How much this affects ordinary voters I guess will be key.

Well I said we needed more data and the fact that Asian markets have already seen stock prices recover their losses yesterday is a curious sign that maybe the economic situation isn't so dreadful as feared. Plus while it was a large drop on Wall Street, it did recover a decent wedge of ground in the final hours of trading.

 

Maybe a US recession crash-landing in time for the election isn't inevitable but as I said, a bit more data might be required.

[charlierc]

John Oliver's show did a thing on RFK Jr last night and this story that broke after they recorded about RFK Jr thinking it was funny to dump a dead bear cub he was initially planning to eat in Central Park in New York just adds to the portfolio that he's a bit of a weird man.

 

Certainly it's quite something his entire family is saying don't vote for him.

Edited August 6, 2024 by charlierc

[steviewevie]

17 hours ago, FloopFiller said:

Apparently she’s chosen her VP now and they’ve accepted the offer.

 

Walz is the guy who came up with the ‘they’re weird’ line and seems to have become incredibly popular since. Just seems like a really cool regular dude.

 

Think it’s gonna be Shapiro myself. Republicans seem to really fear him cause he’s an insanely charismatic guy, often compared to Obama in the way he speaks, although seems to have a few bits of controversy behind him which have people worried - being Jewish he’s very pro-Israel and has said some pretty dodgy sh*t regarding it in the past, amongst other things. 

decision soon.

This Shapiro stuff about Israel is about something he wrote when he was 20 and has since repudiated? or is there anything else? 

My brother lives in US and is very lefty pro Palestine and all that. Wasn't going to vote Biden because of Gaza, but might vote Harris..but now says he is waiting for VP pick so I just know he's going to say he can't vote for her when she picks Shapiro which is pretty f**king stupid if you ask me but for him (and many others) Israel is the no.1 problem (I should add that he kind of sounds antisemitic with some of the sh*t he comes out with but I don't go there).

I think if she does pick Shapiro it has nothing to do with Gaza and everything to do with PA, and lets be honest once in office the VP does f**k all anyway.

[steviewevie]

She's picked Walz!

So, obviously she's anti-semitic.

I know nothing about him except he seems like a nice guy and is good at calling Trump/Vance weird.

[steviewevie]

48 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

She's picked Walz!

So, obviously she's anti-semitic.

I know nothing about him except he seems like a nice guy and is good at calling Trump/Vance weird.

lefties and Republicans are pleased she picked Walz...so err that's nice.

[FloopFiller]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

She's picked Walz!

So, obviously she's anti-semitic.

I know nothing about him except he seems like a nice guy and is good at calling Trump/Vance weird.

Crazy that this guy seems to have gotten the VP nod purely because of three weeks of him sh*t talking Repubs in TV appearances. I mean, he’s apparently been a great governor too, but didn’t seem like he was known to wider America until he came up with the ‘weird’ thing which caused him to become an instant sensation with Dem voters. 
 

Also great that everybody was seemingly expecting Shapiro and the baggage that came with him so cool to see Kamala/Dems not absolutely f**king it up at every opportunity - they really seemed to listen to what people wanted. They’re not giving Republicans an inch. Most they have on this guy is he got a DUI 25 years ago. f**k all.

Edited August 6, 2024 by FloopFiller

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

Crazy that this guy seems to have gotten the VP nod purely because of three weeks of him sh*t talking Repubs in TV appearances. I mean, he’s apparently been a great governor too, but didn’t seem like he was known to wider America until he came up with the ‘weird’ thing which caused him to become an instant sensation with Dem voters. 
 

Also great that everybody was seemingly expecting Shapiro and the baggage that came with him so cool to see Kamala/Dems not absolutely f**king it up at every opportunity - they really seemed to listen to what people wanted. They’re not giving Republicans an inch. Most they have on this guy is he got a DUI 25 years ago. f**k all.

he's considered a bit of a lefty so Republicans can use that...but yeah he just seems like a nice folksie sort of guy.

What happened with that Kelly bloke?

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[VCK2]

Both Trump and Kamala are crap politicians. But then I'm not American so I'm not really all that bothered. Way too many people here are obsessed with America.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, VCK2 said:

Both Trump and Kamala are crap politicians. But then I'm not American so I'm not really all that bothered. Way too many people here are obsessed with America.

maybe because whoever wins this election could have massive impacts across the world.

[steviewevie]

[LJS]

43 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ed Davey Mk 2.

[FloopFiller]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

What happened with that Kelly bloke?

I’m sure there are other reasons but from what I’ve heard he’s a bit of a personality vacuum so might not hold up well in debates or when the camera is on him. Also apparently very pro-Israel which seems to have been a big decider in this whole thing. 

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48 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

I’m sure there are other reasons but from what I’ve heard he’s a bit of a personality vacuum so might not hold up well in debates or when the camera is on him. Also apparently very pro-Israel which seems to have been a big decider in this whole thing. 

Also I think would be a special election they may lose.

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Also I think would be a special election they may lose.

huh?