US Presidential Election 2016

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, feral chile said:

What about narrative around events then?

We've been told repeatedly that we can't afford to spend, and suddenly brexit means we can/have to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/world/europe/uk-philip-hammond-autumn-statement-brexit.html?_r=0

To be fair to the tories, the situation today is very different to how it was in May 2010, so while they abused the situation to their advantage, harsher measures were required back then to what might be done now.

Beyond that the speed at which the deficit is reduced is a political choice, tho not a free one. It's still something that has to be done (rather than can be put back forever), and the sooner it's done the less money is spent on servicing & repaying debt into the future.

Even McDonnell says he'll reduce the deficit - tho he's only pretending cos he'll be doing it with the money he prints.

[zahidf]

Castro: I will not die until America is destroyed

Trump: I'm gonna be the president

Castro: well then

[eFestivals]

14 hours ago, zahidf said:

Castro: I will not die until America is destroyed

Trump: I'm gonna be the president

Castro: well then

Meanwhile, which of the two has clocked up the most murdering of political opponents?

Something for you to think over.

(Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that Castro was Stalin, but neither are his hands entirely clean)

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by eFestivals

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Meanwhile, which of the two has clocked up the most murdering of political opponents?

Something for you to think over.

(Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that Castro was Stalin, but neither are his hands entirely clean)

 

Im not a massive Castro fan, just liked the joke☺ I did have a respect for him for at least trying to make communism work. In some ways, he did help the poor of cuba more than previous presidents!

And Trump hasnt even started yet! Give him a chance...

[eFestivals]

26 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Im not a massive Castro fan, just liked the joke☺ I did have a respect for him for at least trying to make communism work. In some ways, he did help the poor of cuba more than previous presidents!

And Trump hasnt even started yet! Give him a chance...

I'll just point out that what I'm taking from your words is murdering for political purposes is more acceptable if the political purposes more-align with your own.

Which was precisely what I was suggesting you might want to think over.

[zahidf]

I agree that any suggestion Castro's delivery on social rights balances out his appalling violations of civil & political rights is wrong. At the same, the opposite is true, you cant ignore his delivery on social rights balances

[russycarps]

Castro only executed traitors during wartime. We used to do exactly the same thing when we were at war, and would do again no doubt.

[zahidf]

FARAGE: "I will ask for forgiveness from Trump for the UK."

I really hope farage fucks off and never comes back

 

in the mean time, more from Trump's culturally and economically anxious voters

https://twitter.com/ZahraBilloo/status/802344006139002880

[feral chile]

Yes! Finally!

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/politicians-warned-brexit-language-has-helped-legitimise-hatred/ar-AAkOXPS?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartanntp

And yes, I agree wholeheartedly with this.

[zahidf]

Needy, crazy Trump definitely is upset about losing the popular vote. Of course, he will try and stop these 'millions' of illegal votes for next time

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by zahidf

[LJS]

Quote

 

Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump

 

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted Democrat.

 

Sorted it for him

Edited November 28, 2016 by LJS

[philipsteak]

Must be the first time a president-elect has questioned a result that he won!.

[eFestivals]

16 hours ago, zahidf said:

in the mean time, more from Trump's culturally and economically anxious voters

 

as he's saying what you've been saying, presumably you're both on the same side...?

 

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[russycarps]

Yeah I saw that. Naive buffoon or calculating idiot? Either way, God help us.

[The Nal]

Still completely delusional. And still playing the popular vote card. 

Hopefully her attitude doesn't reflect the Democrat party anymore. 

 

[Wooderson]

People that think Trump wins those marginal rustbelt states without Russia/Comey involvement are a bit mad. What did she call him? A "puppet of Putin"? Darn tootin' he is.

[eFestivals]

24 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

People that think Trump wins those marginal rustbelt states without Russia/Comey involvement are a bit mad. What did she call him? A "puppet of Putin"? Darn tootin' he is.

oh c'mon .... it doesn't take russian involvement to win those rust states any more than it took russian involvement for the UK to vote for brexit.  In many ways they're both about the same thing, a forgotten class of people not being served by the dominant politics.

Once upon a time in the UK people used to mourn the loss of 'the post war consensus' that did have whichever party was in govt attempt to serve all of the people; there was an american version too, so very big that Nixon nearly introduced a form of 'basic income' - which isn't something you'll hear anyone from the right champion today.  That was replaced by Thatcherism (Reaganomics for the USA) where all of the focus was towards 'the wealth producers'.

What's so very fucking odd now is that there's huge numbers of people - people who want to regard themselves as progressive - who are now mourning the death of Thatcherism/Reaganomics and wanting it back!

There's better ways than all of those, but no one seems to want them. They won't happen until people do.

[Wooderson]

Trump won cause of "emails" chief. That's it.

[Wooderson]

Was she a "great" candidate, no probably not. I'm not her biggest fan. But the margins in states that flipped for Trump don't indicate a broad shift. Small gains. People staying home. 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Trump won cause of "emails" chief. That's it.

Get out of here. All they did was confirm to those who already had no faith in Clinton that their take was well-founded.

1 minute ago, Wooderson said:

Was she a "great" candidate, no probably not. I'm not her biggest fan. But the margins in states that flipped for Trump don't indicate a broad shift. Small gains. People staying home. 

because (ITO) neither candidate was worth the effort.

When the polls show a close run, that's what it's going to be. The candidate that can inspire people to go and vote for them is the one that wins.

And like it or not, that's what Trump managed to do - by showing he didn't give a shit for the sort of political orthodoxy that had caused the USA to become what it has, which the people in those rust states had more reason to dislike than those in the 'boom' states.

 

[pink_triangle]

7 hours ago, Wooderson said:

Was she a "great" candidate, no probably not. I'm not her biggest fan. But the margins in states that flipped for Trump don't indicate a broad shift. Small gains. People staying home. 

From memory she didn't campaign in some of the swing states that she lost. Maybe that would have made a difference. In a tight election you can probably point to many factors which in isolation wouldn't make a difference, but when added together have an impact.

[ThomThomDrum]

They should have went for Sanders. The Democrats had the perfect opportunity to do so but they were blinded by their arrogance in effectively thinking Hilary would walk it.

If people were truly sick of the established politics he would have been the perfect candidate to go up against Turnip, even if he is the type of tree hugging, sandle wearing, smelly socialist that Americans traditionally fear

It still perplexes me how anyone from a minority group or any woman in that country voted for Trump. C'est la vie

[russycarps]

trump would have beaten sanders. If there's one thing an american hates more than a woman, it's a commie.