Pulp

[johnny-yen]

I see that Pulp have just announced a one off show in December in Sheffield. I know many Glastonbury goers are pulp fans so I have a question.

Do you know if this is planned as their final ever performance?

My dilemma is that I have tickets to orbital on the same night and and same city. I don't want to miss pulp if they won't be playing again.

Any thoughts?

[Mardy]

Nah, I don't think so. I can see them playing together every year or two, for a nice few quid.

Bands today, when they decide to split, no fukkin commitment. Back together within a few years...

Mind, it'as the same with orbital.

Whichever you choose, you'll get the chance to see the other band again in the future, I'd stake anything on that.

[russycarps]

orbitals last-ever-farewell-definitely-never-reforming-ever-ever gig at glastonbury in 2004 was ace.

I've really gone off pulp and the way they've gone about things since they've reformed. Fuck them

[johnny-yen]

I've really gone off pulp and the way they've gone about things since they've reformed. Fuck them

[russycarps]

Eh? I don't understand. Please explain what you think they've done wrong.

[MEGABOWL]

Well take the "secret" glastonbury gig. They should have just played the main stage giving everyone a chance to see them rather than doing that lame park set where most people could see or hear bugger all. Utterly pointless and just a huge "Look at me! Look at me!" excercise.

plus I echo mardys views about reforming bands. These bands that split up then reform to milk the teet of a cash cow annoy me. Why be such drama queens and split up in the first place? Spoilt brats who think they are much more important than they are and flounce off the music scene amid all the "we quit!" headlines, only to come crawling back a few years later. Knobheads

[russycarps]

I have a suspicion it might have been the fact that glastonbury werent offering them a headline pyramid slot and they were too arrogant to sub headline so took this secret set, knowing that it would be massively packed thus ensuring they still got all the headlines

[Mardy]

The constant reforming, repackaging and flogging the past again and again and again to each generation is what will kill music. It's a relatively modern phenomena, say the last 10-15 years or so and it's incredibly unhealthy for music. People ask where the future headliners will come from, where are today's legends. They don't stand a fucking chance of evolving all the time people are getting enthusiastic about a fucking Shed Seven reunion, or people will still shell out cash to watch The Wonderstuff going through the motions.

I saw the Charlatans at the weekend, headlining a smaller festival and it was the most fundamentally depressing experience a person could have at 10.45 on a Sunday night standing in a field.

Just to make it clear, I'm not against all reunions, the Dexys one has been sublime and a perfect example of how to do it and make it relevant and exciting, but there's too much of this 'play a classic album from the past' shite or 'get the band back together cos the mortgage needs paying and we know that a load of 20 year olds have swallowed the myth that they NEED to see these legends/bellends that they missed because they were too young'

Fucking nostalgia industry. Evil evil evil.

[Mardy]

Sorry, that was a bit ranty. Apologies.

[johnny-yen]

Aren't these bands reforming because there is a glaring hole in the music industry for any decent music? Headline festival slots are being taken by reformed bands because there is simply nothing new and credible that is as good.

I would much rather see a reformed stone roses, pulp, happy mondays etc than professor green, nicki minja, example etc etc

Ok they are not writing any new material but they've generally all improved their musicianship compared to their 'peak'

[Mardy]

stone roses, pulp and happy mondays are not equivalent to professor green, nicki minaj and example, they're totally different types of acts.

The closest equivalent to them is this Stock Aitken and Waterman reformation show.

"Aren't these bands reforming because there is a glaring hole in the music industry for any decent music?"

You see, I'd put it the other way round, these reformed acts are stiffling current music. You think David Bowie would have been as massive and creative as he was if the entire media was obsessed with, and all the kids were going to see reformed bands from 20 + years previously? Imagine if the 1971 Glastonbury had been headlined by Duke Ellington. That right there, is the equivalent of what's happening now.

[Mardy]

sorry, too ranty again. I'm going to leave this and go into town now.

[russycarps]

Aren't these bands reforming because there is a glaring hole in the music industry for any decent music? Headline festival slots are being taken by reformed bands because there is simply nothing new and credible that is as good.

I would much rather see a reformed stone roses, pulp, happy mondays etc than professor green, nicki minja, example etc etc

Ok they are not writing any new material but they've generally all improved their musicianship compared to their 'peak'

[fatyeti24]

i blame the kids.

i'm far too old to be starting a band and changing the world. if i want to chuck silly money at the heroes of my youth for a nostalgic sing song i feel no shame in doing so.

but i don't know why the kids are doing it with me. kids today are rubbish.

[LondonTom]

I get the general point of reformations and some of them seem bit to much, but I thought Pulp done it about right for the first year, they done a few shows along their american tour this year, that said unless they are going get something new out after Christmas, I'd rather this was it.

I think the Stone Roses was overblown but that could be just cos I don't really get them, i don't dislike their music but it does nothing for me. I agree, if you look at any time a new band is pushed up to headline status, you always get a big can they do it?! Their not big enough yet! (Which annoys me, look at Pulp taking the headline spot from the stone roses and what that did for them!) and just a general vibe that they will never be as good as previous acts.

Also maybe alot of it is to do with ...you older people ...Maybe I am wrong here but it seems like there's more similarities in culture between me and my parents, then my parents and their parents? Almost like older people still want to do all these things that was usually left to the youth and youth alone to do

Edited July 11, 2012 by LondonTom

[MEGABOWL]

Sorry, that was a bit ranty. Apologies.

[johnny-yen]

i blame the kids.

i'm far too old to be starting a band and changing the world. if i want to chuck silly money at the heroes of my youth for a nostalgic sing song i feel no shame in doing so.

but i don't know why the kids are doing it with me. kids today are rubbish.

[Justiceforcedave]

I don't think there's anything wrong with reunions. They give people who missed the bands the first time around (eg Me) a chance to see acts that I never thought I'd get a chance to see. To be honest from what I see and hear most of these bands come back with a new found enthusiasm for live performances of their songs.

Not only that but MOST reformed bands have some kind of place within our musical heritage. It doesn't matter if they're doing it just for the money, If people will still pay to see them.... then they'll still headline festivals. I think you guys might be in the minority but at least you'll save money on all those gig tickets that I spend mine on : )

P.S Pulp and Radiohead at Glasto was really cool to essentially get 2 extra headline bands on the bill. Personally didn't really enjoy Radioheads set but it still felt special to have them there!

[gazza_20]

I don't think that

I have a suspicion it might have been the fact that glastonbury werent offering them a headline pyramid slot and they were too arrogant to sub headline so took this secret set, knowing that it would be massively packed thus ensuring they still got all the headlines

[Justiceforcedave]

....also you can't tell me that you'd rather not have Pulp at Glaso then have them surely?

[MEGABOWL]

....also you can't tell me that you'd rather not have Pulp at Glaso then have them surely?

[rexclark]

What about all the younger fans who never got to see the acts the first time around? I think it's great that people are getting a chance to see acts they've wanted to see for years but previously didn't have the option. The only issue I have is when the band clearly can't be arsed and that certainly wasn't the case with Pulp. IMO Pulp are a far better live act now than they were towards the end the last time and are clearly enjoying playing together again and i'd personally love to see them back at Glastonbury.

[Mardy]

What about all the younger fans who never got to see the acts the first time around? I think it's great that people are getting a chance to see acts they've wanted to see for years but previously didn't have the option. The only issue I have is when the band clearly can't be arsed and that certainly wasn't the case with Pulp. IMO Pulp are a far better live act now than they were towards the end the last time and are clearly enjoying playing together again and i'd personally love to see them back at Glastonbury.

[gazza_20]

What about all the younger fans who never got to see the acts the first time around? I think it's great that people are getting a chance to see acts they've wanted to see for years but previously didn't have the option. The only issue I have is when the band clearly can't be arsed and that certainly wasn't the case with Pulp. IMO Pulp are a far better live act now than they were towards the end the last time and are clearly enjoying playing together again and i'd personally love to see them back at Glastonbury.

[russycarps]

....also you can't tell me that you'd rather not have Pulp at Glaso then have them surely?