Wilderness 2025

[gfa]

5 hours ago, xxialac said:

Mad how legendary bands Orbital and Air are billed lower than derivative, one album Wet Leg. But I suppose they're girls, and Orbital and Air are guys.

Or wet leg are just bigger sellers these days

[Mcbatesman]

41 minutes ago, gfa said:

Or wet leg are just bigger sellers these days

 

i think his post was sarcasm

[CharlotteB]

15 hours ago, Mcbatesman said:

Bears den have been a solid album charting band for a while, hinds are not

 

Probably because male bands keep getting preferential treatment on festival running orders. But in this case, Hinds have been putting out charting albums for just as long. Imagine if they got the same kudos as a boring, overrated band like Bear's Den!

[gfa]

2 hours ago, Mcbatesman said:

 

i think his post was sarcasm

ah missed that - sorry @xxialac

 

There's people on here who would post that non-sarcastically!

[xxialac]

20 minutes ago, CharlotteB said:

 

Probably because male bands keep getting preferential treatment on festival running orders. But in this case, Hinds have been putting out charting albums for just as long. Imagine if they got the same kudos as a boring, overrated band like Bear's Den!

Look, I much prefer Hinds too but I think it's hard to argue with a festival running order based on 'commercial merit'.

 

Bear's Den have had two Top 10 albums.

 

Hinds have never even had an album in the Top 40, let alone the Top 10.

 

I'm not seeing sexism...

Edited January 29, 2025 by xxialac

[Mcbatesman]

36 minutes ago, CharlotteB said:

 

Probably because male bands keep getting preferential treatment on festival running orders. But in this case, Hinds have been putting out charting albums for just as long. Imagine if they got the same kudos as a boring, overrated band like Bear's Den!

If that was the case bears den would be wet leg are.

 

I agree that there is an issue with female performers at these size festivals but it's also quite disrespectful to bears den to say that they got this spot just because they are men and not your cupa tea.

 

 

[Mcbatesman]

Just now, Mcbatesman said:

If that was the case bears den would be wet leg are.

 

I agree that there is an issue with female performers at these size festivals but it's also quite disrespectful to bears den to say that they got this spot just because they are men and not your cupa tea.

 

 

Wet leg and auroa actually 

[CharlotteB]

12 hours ago, xxialac said:

Look, I much prefer Hinds too but I think it's hard to argue with a festival running order based on 'commercial merit'.

 

Bear's Den have had two Top 10 albums.

 

Hinds have never even had an album in the Top 40, let alone the Top 10.

 

I'm not seeing sexism...

 

12 hours ago, Mcbatesman said:

If that was the case bears den would be wet leg are.

 

I agree that there is an issue with female performers at these size festivals but it's also quite disrespectful to bears den to say that they got this spot just because they are men and not your cupa tea.

 

 

 

Hmm. Will have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you're underestimating the inherent, institutionalised sexism in the music industry.

[xxialac]

4 hours ago, CharlotteB said:

 

 

Hmm. Will have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you're underestimating the inherent, institutionalised sexism in the music industry.

I shared actual facts which showed a significant disparity in popularity. Your argument however appeared to be based on Hinds being a more interesting band. Which I agree with but nowhere does that drive lineup placement.

 

And I absolutely agree that there is sexism more generally but that is an entirely different argument. Your criticism was of this festival specifically.

 

ps oh and by the way the head booker for Wilderness is, er, a woman. 

[Mcbatesman]

5 hours ago, CharlotteB said:

 

 

Hmm. Will have to agree to disagree on this one. I think you're underestimating the inherent, institutionalised sexism in the music industry.

I said I agree there's a problem with female performers at these sized festivals but that also doesn't mean that every female based band placed lower is because of sexism, as @xxialac hinds haven't had a top 40 album and beard den have had several.

 

Imo lambrini girls are better than 90% of the bands at Wilderness but does no way mean I think they should be headlining etc

[CharlotteB]

On 1/30/2025 at 6:48 AM, xxialac said:

I shared actual facts which showed a significant disparity in popularity. Your argument however appeared to be based on Hinds being a more interesting band. Which I agree with but nowhere does that drive lineup placement.

 

And I absolutely agree that there is sexism more generally but that is an entirely different argument. Your criticism was of this festival specifically.

 

ps oh and by the way the head booker for Wilderness is, er, a woman. 

 

You've got to be careful with those facts, because those in the know realize that Bear's Den do a lot of soundtrack stuff, which gets a lot of listens, but that's not exactly a festival crowd. And are you saying that it would be ok for a black booker to book a whole festival of white artists? I'm just interested about why you think the booker being a woman is relevant.

[xxialac]

12 minutes ago, CharlotteB said:

 

You've got to be careful with those facts, because those in the know realize that Bear's Den do a lot of soundtrack stuff, which gets a lot of listens, but that's not exactly a festival crowd. And are you saying that it would be ok for a black booker to book a whole festival of white artists? I'm just interested about why you think the booker being a woman is relevant.

What?

I said nothing about Bear’s Den’ streams. I just pointed out they had two Top 10 successes whereas Hinds didn't even have a Top 40. They are commercially more successful = higher poster placement. It’s not rocket science.

You accused the festival of discriminating against women. I also pointed out the chief booker was a woman, which makes your assertion even weaker.

 

Your are clinging on desperately to a feeble, easily disproven argument seeing sexism where there is none.

[CanWeRest]

3 hours ago, xxialac said:

What?

I said nothing about Bear’s Den’ streams. I just pointed out they had two Top 10 successes whereas Hinds didn't even have a Top 40. They are commercially more successful = higher poster placement. It’s not rocket science.

You accused the festival of discriminating against women. I also pointed out the chief booker was a woman, which makes your assertion even weaker.

 

Your are clinging on desperately to a feeble, easily disproven argument seeing sexism where there is none.

 

No sexism? That's man talk right there. 

[T-Mouse]

25 minutes ago, CanWeRest said:

 

No sexism? That's man talk right there. 

Has to be bait

[CanWeRest]

If you can't see sexism somewhere you're probably not looking hard enough.

[T-Mouse]

9 minutes ago, CanWeRest said:

If you can't see sexism somewhere you're probably not looking hard enough.

 

That's not what was being discussed. This was a suggestion that billing Bears Den above Hinds was evidence of sexism on behalf of those organising Wilderness. The evidence shows that, while Hinds are great (another person here who things they're good), Bears Den are unequivocally a bigger act. Whether we personally think they're better or not, is irrelevant. They're simply more popular. That's not sexism. 

 

If the argument was a deeper one along the lines of "is hinds lack of commercial success down to their music, or deep rooted sexism that prevails within the music industry?", then fine. There could genuinely be a solid argument behind this. But that's not where this started.

[CanWeRest]

1 hour ago, T-Mouse said:

 

That's not what was being discussed. This was a suggestion that billing Bears Den above Hinds was evidence of sexism on behalf of those organising Wilderness. The evidence shows that, while Hinds are great (another person here who things they're good), Bears Den are unequivocally a bigger act. Whether we personally think they're better or not, is irrelevant. They're simply more popular. That's not sexism. 

 

If the argument was a deeper one along the lines of "is hinds lack of commercial success down to their music, or deep rooted sexism that prevails within the music industry?", then fine. There could genuinely be a solid argument behind this. But that's not where this started.

 

Don't try to explain to me what was being discussed. I responded to something I saw with my own eyes that I didn't agree with.

 

As for Hinds/Bear's Den, if Bear's Den are bigger than Hinds then they have benefited from their gender big time 😂 

[itschris]

Without wanting to rake up the sexism conversation, i can say that having had a listen through the announced bands so far both Wet Leg and Bear's Den are very disappointing.

Edited February 19, 2025 by itschris

[xxialac]

On 2/11/2025 at 5:28 PM, CanWeRest said:

If you can't see sexism somewhere you're probably not looking hard enough.

Brilliant strawman argument. 10/10.

Edited February 19, 2025 by xxialac

[CanWeRest]

Strawman or woman.

[xxialac]

12 hours ago, CanWeRest said:

Strawman or woman.

Hehe, at least it’s a word with a negative meaning.

[stuie]

I like Wilderness and I'm going with Oxfam again this year - I've had lots of fun and met some great people there previously and I've gotta earn those points to keep my Priority!

 

This line up sucks a bit though, compared to previous...  that's the males and the females, I'm not singling out anyone here. 

 

Hoping for some nice additions for down The Valley.

 

 

[itschris]

On 1/28/2025 at 10:01 AM, sisco said:

 

On 1/24/2025 at 12:17 PM, adequate8 said:

Wet Leg on before Basement Jaxx

 

@adequate8 - just revisiting your comment, as Wet Leg have been given top billing on the poster. Fingers crossed you are correct as on before Basement Jaxx seems to work and I would love to see Orbital after dark.

Edited February 25, 2025 by itschris

[stephos83]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:15 AM, stuie said:

I like Wilderness and I'm going with Oxfam again this year - I've had lots of fun and met some great people there previously and I've gotta earn those points to keep my Priority!

 

This line up sucks a bit though, compared to previous...  that's the males and the females, I'm not singling out anyone here. 

 

Hoping for some nice additions for down The Valley.

 

 

The good thing about Wilderness is that despite the often weak top billing, there always seems to be something good enough to go and enjoy. I almost don't care who is playing, as I know I'll have a great time

[adequate8]

20 hours ago, itschris said:

 

 

@adequate8 - just revisiting your comment, as Wet Leg have been given top billing on the poster. Fingers crossed you are correct as on before Basement Jaxx seems to work and I would love to see Orbital after dark.

Yeh also doubting it tbh!