Football 2024/25

[Punksnotdead]

1 hour ago, charlierc said:

Everton sacking Sean Dyche less than 4 hours before tonight's FA Cup tie with Peterborough is one way to aggressively make the point that you no longer want him around.

Didn't see that one coming - they had some half decent results against good teams recently. Moyes return?

[thetime]

20 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said:

Didn't see that one coming - they had some half decent results against good teams recently. Moyes return?

 

To many draws and only 3 wins all season (Palace, wolves, ipswich).

 

I thought they had been doing OK to be honest, expected them to be in bottom 3 around Christmas. That being said all the draws, leaves them 1 point from safety. 

[charlierc]

18 hours ago, Punksnotdead said:

Didn't see that one coming - they had some half decent results against good teams recently. Moyes return?

Moyes return is the current rumour, with suggestions that he's the front runner to get the gig.

[charlierc]

Sure enough, the Moyes is back in town: David Moyes named Everton manager for second time - BBC Sport

 

Makes me think of the Barclaysmen nostalgia trend from a few months ago where people were eagerly resharing football highlights from the 2006-14 or so era.

[Gnomicide]

Moves taking them down is the absolute dream scenario. I think they'll be ok though, but recalling a manager that won nothing with them and claiming he was successful is very funny.

 

[pink_triangle]

26 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

Moves taking them down is the absolute dream scenario. I think they'll be ok though, but recalling a manager that won nothing with them and claiming he was successful is very funny.

 

I’m not convinced you can use winning something as a definition of success , considering there are only 4 or 5 clubs who win anything. I would also not consider Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea more successful than David Moyes at Chelsea.

[thetime]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I’m not convinced you can use winning something as a definition of success , considering there are only 4 or 5 clubs who win anything. I would also not consider Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea more successful than David Moyes at Chelsea.

 

Totally agree, unfair on moyes that. When you think Everton have had one glorious period in 60 years, other than that 1 fa cup win in 95. 

 

So many managers you would say were successful without winning a trophy. Last 7 seasons of his reign they were not out of the top 8, that's fantastic consistency. 

[charlierc]

Well, an out-of-sorts Plymouth who hadn't won since Bonfire Night beating Brentford at their place is a decent upset. And one to hang onto given most ties seemed to go the way of the higher tier side, although Morecambe winning at Chelsea or Salford beating Man City were likely long shots.

 

My natural pessimism means I'll be happy Newcastle have beaten Bromley when/if the job is done.

[charlierc]

21 hours ago, thetime said:

 

Totally agree, unfair on moyes that. When you think Everton have had one glorious period in 60 years, other than that 1 fa cup win in 95. 

 

So many managers you would say were successful without winning a trophy. Last 7 seasons of his reign they were not out of the top 8, that's fantastic consistency. 

If Everton had won a trophy, it unquestionably would've elevated the reputation of Moyes' time at Everton, but yeah - given they were comparatively low budget in the PL for most of his tenure, their run for most of his reign to be consistent top 6 or at least top 8 finishers was excellent. I wonder if its slept on a little simply by virture of it not yielding the big win.

 

Maybe if they'd stuck the landing after taking the lead inside the first minute against Chelsea in the 2009 FA Cup Final.

[charlierc]

23 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I’m not convinced you can use winning something as a definition of success , considering there are only 4 or 5 clubs who win anything. I would also not consider Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea more successful than David Moyes at Chelsea.

Only way to find out is if Moyes joins Chelsea tbf. Which would be a left field pick even by their increasingly weird left field picks.

[Gnomicide]

Tamworth have doubled their ticket price for today's match and changed sponsors to The Sun. Hopefully Spurs batter them.

[charlierc]

1 hour ago, Gnomicide said:

Tamworth have doubled their ticket price for today's match and changed sponsors to The Sun. Hopefully Spurs batter them.

Nearly an hour played, still 0-0.

 

Could still end up a battering but for all this is quite a strong Spurs side, they've not exactly grasped the bull by the horns like Man City did against Salford yesterday, for example.

 

I agree that double the ticket price is a bit mean.

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, charlierc said:

Nearly an hour played, still 0-0.

 

Could still end up a battering but for all this is quite a strong Spurs side, they've not exactly grasped the bull by the horns like Man City did against Salford yesterday, for example.

 

I agree that double the ticket price is a bit mean.

I think those criticising Tamworth are a little naive in terms of how difficult it is to make money when you are a lower league/non league with small attendances. If we are talking about mean I would put more blame on the greedy EPL teams who have stolen a well earned replay from them.

[charlierc]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

I think those criticising Tamworth are a little naive in terms of how difficult it is to make money when you are a lower league/non league with small attendances. If we are talking about mean I would put more blame on the greedy EPL teams who have stolen a well earned replay from them.

Even moreso in this case tbf as Tamworth would've taken Spurs to a replay under the old system. I know there's a degree of it being a game of chance, but they still would've earned a decent windfall had we still used the replay system, even if it is fair to note the expansion of the Europa League means Spurs wouldn't have had a free midweek to play it before the date of Round 4.

[charlierc]

Getting this in quickly - job done for Newcastle. Genuinely thought we might be on track to f**k it up after Bromley scored first and missed a great chance for 2-0, but came back strong and got the job done. Lovely goals by Miley and Osula too.

 

Did see Arsenal v Man Utd was eventful. Arsenal's attack was about as convincing as it was against Newcastle in the week, Bayindir made a great save from the penalty and it seems like this might be an excuse for "ARSENAL NEED A STRIKER OR THEY'RE IN CRISIS" articles.

[thetime]

Lots of encouragement in the last few weeks for utd. Going to city, Liverpool and Arsenal undefeated. 

 

 Just need a way to score more goals against those outside the top 6. 

[Punksnotdead]

Excellent effort from the lads to come through at Arsenal - playing most of the game with 10 men against 12 was quite impressive!

[charlierc]

9 minutes ago, thetime said:

 Just need a way to score more goals against those outside the top 6. 

Guess your home game against Southampton on Thursday and a potentially sticky game against Brighton on Sunday will both provide an opportunity to see if that can be done.

[Ryan1984]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I think those criticising Tamworth are a little naive in terms of how difficult it is to make money when you are a lower league/non league with small attendances. If we are talking about mean I would put more blame on the greedy EPL teams who have stolen a well earned replay from them.

When Aldershot hosted Man Utd in the League Cup a few years back, the only way you could buy a ticket was by getting a ticket for our following home league match at the same time.

 

So, £34 (regular price was £17 at the time) to guarantee your place at the big match and then another match if you so wanted. Feels like Tamworth could have done something like that?

[Skip997]

On 1/12/2025 at 6:18 PM, thetime said:

Lots of encouragement in the last few weeks for utd. Going to city, Liverpool and Arsenal undefeated. 

 

Maybe the new manager is a genius after all. To get those results with that squad is impressive. 
 

 

[thetime]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

Maybe the new manager is a genius after all. To get those results with that squad is impressive. 
 

 

 

Not really, there a cup team that can raise it in the big games. Away to Liverpool, city and arsenal undefeated. Then lose to Wolves, Bournemouth and Newcastle convincingly. 

 

 

 

 

[charlierc]

Does today's news of no PSR deductions for anyone kill the "ten points for Everton" meme I see on Reddit or Instagram comments?

 

I will say that it also seems to validate the idea we now have a PSR deadline day given the antics of the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Leicester and indeed ourselves at the Toon. Hence how apparently we had to sell Forest a great prospect in Anderson and took their unwanted keeper Vlachodimos.

[thetime]

29 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Does today's news of no PSR deductions for anyone kill the "ten points for Everton" meme I see on Reddit or Instagram comments?

 

I will say that it also seems to validate the idea we now have a PSR deadline day given the antics of the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Leicester and indeed ourselves at the Toon. Hence how apparently we had to sell Forest a great prospect in Anderson and took their unwanted keeper Vlachodimos.

 

Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, completely changed there squad. 1 season they spent big, with not going out. Other than that, there net spend is very good. 

 

Reminds me off Liverpool when there net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for there 1 title win. 

 

No coincidence rumours and sales at utd are youth products. With the likes of Mctominay, Rashford and Mainoo. 

 

Edited January 14, 2025 by thetime

[Neil]

does lee hendrie ever get mis-identified as robbie williams? 😛 

[charlierc]

18 minutes ago, thetime said:

 

Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, completely changed there squad. 1 season they spent big, with not going out. Other than that, there net spend is very good. 

 

Reminds me off Liverpool when there net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for there 1 title win. 

 

No coincidence rumours and sales at utd are youth products. With the likes of Mctominay, Rashford and Mainoo. 

 

This seems like the way people will be doing things tbf. A few people aren't exactly thrilled at the economic idea that academies are now becoming more cash cows to help meet PSR, although one could argue twas ever thus and this is just solidifying a trend that had been going on for a little while.

 

At the very least it means Newcastle have work to do given our historically bad academy-to-first-team pipeline.