Climate Change

[Skip997]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/06/climate-crisis-wreaking-havoc-on-earths-water-cycle-report-finds

[steviewevie]

This deepseek AI could be a lot better for the climate than those gas guzzling US AI chip.

[steviewevie]

per capita carbon emissions in UK...back to 1859 levels

[steviewevie]

unfortunately the capita has gone up so much...

[mattiloy]

14 hours ago, steviewevie said:

unfortunately the capita has gone up so much...

 

Also probs not true. Since we just import all our sh*t and then don’t count the emissions.

[mattiloy]

Here’s a much scarier graph.

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, mattiloy said:

 

Also probs not true. Since we just import all our sh*t and then don’t count the emissions.

you don't think our population has increased?

Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie.

[steviewevie]

Could the UK actually get colder with global warming? - BBC News

[kaosmark2]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

you don't think our population has increased?

Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie.

I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

[Skip997]

3 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

Based on our carbon emissions “in country” yes. But if we include our “hidden emissions” from all the manufacturers that produce our goods abroad, mainly China, then what?

[kerplunk]

"Because China imports"

 

Truisms aren't always true.

 

Surprisingly imports from Europe and Rest of World (except USA) dwarf China imports.

 

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uks-carbon-footprint/carbon-footprint-for-the-uk-and-england-to-2019

Edited February 1, 2025 by kerplunk

[charlierc]

On 1/20/2025 at 7:41 PM, tarw said:

If AI really going to be used to try to solve the climate crisis surely it will just shut itself down to save the planet and hopefully take down all of the fossil fuel power plants before it does so. 
You can only live in hope 

So what Keanu does in the Day The Earth Stood Still reboot then - switch off all electronics.

 

Would make it harder to debate the merits of that as a policy on a place like this.

[Skip997]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

What the f**k is the point?

Exactly 

 

No one with any clout really cares and TBH very few people of any type really care. 
 

I’ve given up.

[steviewevie]

Yeah me too. May as well enjoy it while it lasts I reckon.

[steviewevie]

Just put the thermostat up a couple of degrees and ordered some crap I don't need from amazon.

[kerplunk]

Here's the latest figures for UK consumption including imports (that aren't counted allegedly)

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66431758bd01f5ed32793a2c/UK_consumption_account_methodology.pdf

[steviewevie]

23 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

Here's the latest figures for UK consumption including imports (that aren't counted allegedly)

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66431758bd01f5ed32793a2c/UK_consumption_account_methodology.pdf

We need more years like 2020.

[steviewevie]

14 hours ago, kerplunk said:

"Because China imports"

 

Truisms aren't always true.

 

Surprisingly imports from Europe and Rest of World (except USA) dwarf China imports.

 

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uks-carbon-footprint/carbon-footprint-for-the-uk-and-england-to-2019

Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now?

[kerplunk]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now?

 

Yeah I already figured components from other countries (not just China) would be in products from say europe etc but it has to be that way for accounting purposes or there would be double counting embedded in the global data. UK consumption to make products that are exported (some of which will doubtless contain imported components) aren't included for that reason

[steviewevie]

Temperatures at north pole 20C above average and beyond ice melting point | Climate crisis | The Guardian

[steviewevie]

The UK has finally committed to carbon capture. But not everyone is happy | Heinrich Böll Stiftung | Brussels office - European Union

[Skip997]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

The UK has finally committed to carbon capture. But not everyone is happy | Heinrich Böll Stiftung | Brussels office - European Union

Would that be the incredibly expensive and inefficient/unproven technology which lets us “cheat”?

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Would that be the incredibly expensive and inefficient/unproven technology which lets us “cheat”?

well...that is an opinion discussed in that...

[Skip997]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well...that is an opinion discussed in that...

Wrote my post before reading the article 

[kerplunk]

Lots of questions over it, but how is it cheating when the goal is *net* zero?