UK Politics

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

that's massive. So much for it being close.

(That's what she said).

[Guest]

Canada 1993 looking like a possibility especially if Reform continue to take votes off the Tories and there's no reason to think they won't stand in every seat.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

ok...obviously Labour are on course for a massive landslide and no one cares about Green investment uturns or Gaza ceasefires just like I have said all along.

[lost]

Reform 13%? I think its clear the Tories are going to have to goto the right after Sunak. Its looking more like a Kemi over a Penny.

[cellar]

9 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

Nah come on - not all recessions are equal. So by your logic the 2008 crash and now are like for like? That’s ludicrous.

The economy is not in a great shape but it is by very definition a mild recession. 2008 saw massive unemployment and the near collapse of the banking system! 

Yeah for sure this is a mild/shallow recession - its not media spin, its what analysts are calling it (and what it is relative to other recessions).

Of course that's still not a good thing, but it is a factual description. It would still be called the same under Labour.

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, lost said:

Reform 13%? I think its clear the Tories are going to have to goto the right after Sunak. Its looking more like a Kemi over a Penny.

Then maybe they too could get 13%.

[steviewevie]

Tories out talking to the media explaining how these results are bad for Starmer.

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, cellar said:

Yeah for sure this is a mild/shallow recession - its not media spin, its what analysts are calling it (and what it is relative to other recessions).

Of course that's still not a good thing, but it is a factual description. It would still be called the same under Labour.

Yeah of course. The economy is stagnant and has been for years and years but to imply all recessions are equal is daft. 

 

[fraybentos1]

Wish they would just hurry up and have an election. Instead we have to wait till at least October! It's embarrassing watching Sunak cling to power for a few more months.

I doubt we end up in full wipe-out territory, but that Reform figure must be terrifying for Tory HQ. Imagine Farage makes a return to frontline politics with Reform too... 

[lost]

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

I doubt we end up in full wipe-out territory, but that Reform figure must be terrifying for Tory HQ. Imagine Farage makes a return to frontline politics with Reform too... 

I think he's said he won't unless Labour introduce PR as its pointless under FPTP. There could be a number he's secretly looking at though. I'm not sure what the SNP's break through number was?

[steviewevie]

[fraybentos1]

31 minutes ago, lost said:

I think he's said he won't unless Labour introduce PR as its pointless under FPTP. There could be a number he's secretly looking at though. I'm not sure what the SNP's break through number was?

He says a lot of things but at the end of the day he will do whatever he thinks benefits him the most. 

Reform will still get 0 seats but they could get 10-12% of the vote like UKIP in 2015 and this time it would be way more at the Tories' expense. 

[steviewevie]

Sunak now banging on about tax cuts again. Out of ideas, almost out of time.

[Neil]

4 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Incredible! Labour win both safe Tory seats! 

no one who knows Kingswood would call it a safe tory seat, is a proper working class area.

[steviewevie]

this genius

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

this genius

the reform candidate in kingswood campaigned on stopping building on the greenbelt, that's not something an MP has power over its a local council tthing.

 

thats the sh*t quality of reform politicians.

[kaosmark2]

Reform, like with UKIP before them, will have higher numbers in by-elections to try and scare Tories into behaving as they want them to. I wouldn't be surprised if they're high, but I still don't believe they'll get seats.

Might be a bigger deal in the red wall.

[Guest]

Starmer is the most successful by-election Labour leader ever. 

[kaosmark2]

19 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Starmer is the most successful by-election Labour leader ever. 

This could also be framed as the Tories are in utter shambles and Starmer is winning by-elections by default.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

This could also be framed as the Tories are in utter shambles and Starmer is winning by-elections by default.

It could also be framed as Starmer is the by-election GOAT. 

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Listening to members of the electorate and political analysits today it is not cos Starmer is great - it is cos Tories are utter garbage. Most interviewed had no enthusiasm about Labour even those who voted for them.

Many said they wanted Labour to come up with something radical otherwise all we will get is 5 more years of stagnation in pretty much all of life.

The electorate are fed up and cannot be bothered anymore.

And winning a by election on 37.1% turnout gaining 5000 plus votes less than the GE in 2019 is now cause for any celebration what so ever.

Bah humbug

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Starmer is the most successful by-election Labour leader ever. 

I think a fair comparison would be by-elections when opposition. To be in charge when PM seems very different.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Listening to members of the electorate and political analysits today it is not cos Starmer is great - it is cos Tories are utter garbage. Most interviewed had no enthusiasm about Labour even those who voted for them.

Many said they wanted Labour to come up with something radical otherwise all we will get is 5 more years of stagnation in pretty much all of life.

The electorate are fed up and cannot be bothered anymore.

And winning a by election on 37.1% turnout gaining 5000 plus votes less than the GE in 2019 is now cause for any celebration what so ever.

You are comparing a by-election to a general election, of course votes cast will be different. I’m sorry that Starmer actually managing to win elections. 

[pink_triangle]

25 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Listening to members of the electorate and political analysits today it is not cos Starmer is great - it is cos Tories are utter garbage. Most interviewed had no enthusiasm about Labour even those who voted for them.

Many said they wanted Labour to come up with something radical otherwise all we will get is 5 more years of stagnation in pretty much all of life.

The electorate are fed up and cannot be bothered anymore.

And winning a by election on 37.1% turnout gaining 5000 plus votes less than the GE in 2019 is now cause for any celebration what so ever.

I mean labour treated a better than expected loss to Theresa May as a victory, politicians will always try and put a positive spin on things.

I agree voters aren’t massively enthusiastic about Starmer, the question I would always ask myself s would they be massively enthusiastic about an alternative. I think they would be less enthusiastic about RLB (who came second in the leadership contest) others may disagree. One thing I think is people won’t actively vote against Starmer as many did Corbyn last time around.

As for wanting something radical, I’m sure that applies to some, my instinct is that there aren’t a load of swing voters screaming out for radical policies, I think incremental change is probably the most realistic. Voters had the opportunity to vote radical in the last 2 elections and chose not to take that option.