UK Politics

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I was just about to post that, I think the Speakers don’t the right thing to be fair to him. 

[clarkete]

24 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

And maybe you should be a bit more sceptical, a statement from a prosecutor is hardly a balanced view. "Injured party" who has determined there was an injured party? If it was a set up by the Americans you would expect a credible accusation, if the motive was to get him into custody in order to extradite the underlying accusation didn't matter, it could be dropped later. Sexual assaults are one of the hardest to prove and disprove, usually one persons word against another's, an ideal case for this. BTW there were 2 girls involved, why was only one referred to here?

I saw something about it several years ago and from what they covered it seemed to have some credibility, hence I'm equally as wary of those like yourself who clearly have their own agenda. 

[Crazyfool01]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess most know how they're going to vote already...and yes it is a massive issue, but one that parliament can make a negligible difference to.

Yeah probably … just the same people will go on about the lazy . If they all back it and prevent munitions delivery’s it is significant and pressure mounts , although I guess just this country on its own might not be decisive , a collective will 

[gizmoman]

2 minutes ago, clarkete said:

I saw something about it several years ago and from what they covered it seemed to have some credibility, hence I'm equally as wary of those like yourself who clearly have their own agenda. 

I've no agenda, I was just pointing out the similarities between Navalny and Assange, both enemies of the (different) state, both locked up for years without due process, Navalny now dead, Assange may well suffer a similar fate.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Yeah probably … just the same people will go on about the lazy . If they all back it and prevent munitions delivery’s it is significant and pressure mounts , although I guess just this country on its own might not be decisive , a collective will 

it's not going to prevent munition deliveries...and Israel only get a fraction from us anyway...

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

it's not going to prevent munition deliveries...and Israel only get a fraction from us anyway...

1 bomb or 10 still saves lives … still makes a difference to those under them fraction or not . Pressure will and is growing . 

[steviewevie]

Govt have withdrawn their amendment...so Labour one gets voted on (I think, not sure how all this stuff works, it's like brexit all over again)

[Neil]

2 hours ago, stuie said:

I was under the impression the sex offences were a smokescreen and made up to get him extradited? 

thats you falling for assange's propaganda

[Neil]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

Yeah. I don't like bringing my personal choices around these things into arguments like this because it comes from my own opportunities. That said, if I'm in the middle of a 14hr work day and somewhere that knows me as a staff member of a local business offers me a 1/2 price or free burger there's 0 chance I'm turning that down. I try and make decisions but I'm going to be kind for the times circumstances don't allow me them. I also know other people don't even has as much luxury around these choices as I do.

most people don't work in a non-food outlet in the middle of a rated food-market!

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

I'd love to see mhari black achieve anything positive (apart from to herself), I'd also like to see her condemn Hamas for not taking up the ceasefire opportunities.

[steviewevie]

Tory and SNP MPs walking out in protest. Farce. 

[steviewevie]

I guess this means there won't be peace in the middle east now.

Edited February 21, 2024 by steviewevie
I really need to get my there/their/they're right

[Neil]

Just now, Nobody Interesting said:

Never before as a debate aledged to be about Humanatarian matters turned into such a school playground political farce

never before have the grown up parties let the snp play with the big boys

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Never before as a debate aledged to be about Humanatarian matters turned into such a school playground political farce.

I so wish the next election would rid us of all of them - but it won't and the farce will carry on while innocents die all over the world.

Just like in WW2, business flouts sanctions in the hunt for profit regardless of the result.
https://news.sky.com/story/british-firms-exports-are-almost-certainly-bolstering-russias-war-machine-in-ukraine-sky-data-analysis-finds-13077660

pathetic isnt it ... cant figure out quite whats happened but these are grown adults supposedly representing us 

[Guest]

The SNP raised this motion to try to get one over on Labour and it’s completely backfired on them. They look like amateurs. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

The SNP raised this motion to try to get one over on Labour and it’s completely backfired on them. They look like amateurs. 

how so ? not quite figured this out yet .... I mean yeah ive seen they walked out .... think I need this simplified 🙂 

[Guest]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

how so ? not quite figured this out yet .... I mean yeah ive seen they walked out .... think I need this simplified 🙂 

They raised the immediate ceasefire motion to cause division in Labour. Labour responded by raising their own amendment to the motion which is only slightly different, the Speaker went against precedence to select the amendment. Therefore as the SNP can’t vote against they’ve kicked off and stormed out. 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They raised the immediate ceasefire motion to cause division in Labour. Labour responded by raising their own amendment to the motion which is only slightly different, the Speaker went against precedence to select the amendment. Therefore as the SNP can’t vote against they’ve kicked off and stormed out. 

isnt the SNP motion/ amendment or whatever  what they've been backing all along ? and surely labour could have gone with that if there wasn't much difference ?

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The SNP raised this motion to try to get one over on Labour and it’s completely backfired on them. They look like amateurs. 

whatever the reason it's still pretty dodgy and I'm not surprised they're pissed off to be honest. I think Starmer should have just allowed a free vote on the SNP one...now it is even more messy.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

isnt the SNP motion/ amendment or whatever  what they've been backing all along ? and surely labour could have gone with that if there wasn't much difference ?

Labour have said the SNP motion used some language they aren’t comfortable with (especially because Starmer might then become PM and have to sit opposite Netanyahu) and some other parts they weren’t completely happy with. So they tabled their own one. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

isnt the SNP motion/ amendment or whatever  what they've been backing all along ? and surely labour could have gone with that if there wasn't much difference ?

The SNP ones calls for immediate ceasefire and Hamas to release all hostages, but it says nothing about disarming Hamas which Labour's implies, and says Israel is carrying out collective punishment which Labour refuse to acknowledge. The reason for Labour's stance I have heard is that they will likely be next government and will need to negotiate with the Israeli government.

[LJS]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

isnt the SNP motion/ amendment or whatever  what they've been backing all along ? and surely labour could have gone with that if there wasn't much difference ?

Correct. The SNP have been consistently calling for a ceasefire. Labour eventually decided they agreed but, of course, couldn't possibly vote for an SNP motion so they put down and amendment which effectively said "we support a ceasefire but we hate the SNP."

[steviewevie]

..and probably want to stay buddies with US.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

whatever the reason it's still pretty dodgy and I'm not surprised they're pissed off to be honest. I think Starmer should have just allowed a free vote on the SNP one...now it is even more messy.

I’m not so sure, he had a right to raise an amendment especially if he feels the SNP motion isn’t right.