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[Neil]

23 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Four day week is the quickest and simplest way to improve standards of living, physical and mental health outcomes and reduce CO2.

Also will help maintain full employment in the face of AI nicking everyones jobs.

Ai won't nick eveyonestjobs. I remember choosing my first career of electrician. Cos in the early days of computing and now it looks impossible to automate?

[Neil]

21 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

It's also causing a rift in Stroud

I'm not surprised about what that says about totnes.cos I used to live in the next town.got a fond memory of a night out with an old traveller friend) in Totnes, where a lovely attached herself to me and (first words we exchanged) told me she was coming home with me. 

[cellar]

15 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I might vote Tory. May as well be honest with myself.

Saw that coming

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, cellar said:

Saw that coming

How many policies is someone allowed to disagree with before charging their vote?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Four day week is the quickest and simplest way to improve standards of living, physical and mental health outcomes and reduce CO2.

Also will help maintain full employment in the face of AI nicking everyones jobs.

4 day working is the way forward, I think all studies have shown there are multiple positives and barely any negatives.

[Guest]

This right here is one of the many reasons I love this man. He comes across as so likeable to me and actually seems like a normal person when he’s in front of regular people; it’s such a polar opposite to Sunak. 

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This right here is one of the many reasons I love this man. He comes across as so likeable to me and actually seems like a normal person when he’s in front of regular people; it’s such a polar opposite to Sunak. 

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

4 day working is the way forward, I think all studies have shown there are multiple positives and barely any negatives.

20%cut in output means 20% less of what we want to have.

[Skip997]

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[fraybentos1]

33 minutes ago, Neil said:

20%cut in output means 20% less of what we want to have.

It's not a 20% drop in output tho as proven many times

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It's not a 20% drop in output tho as proven many times

It's 20% less input. So a 20%  drop in output if effort is equal across all hours.

[fraybentos1]

24 minutes ago, Neil said:

It's 20% less input. So a 20%  drop in output if effort is equal across all hours.

which it obviously isn't. No one is working as hard on a friday afternoon as they are on a tuesday morning 

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

which it obviously isn't. No one is working as hard on a friday afternoon as they are on a tuesday morning 

If there's twenty percent fewer nursing hours there's twenty percent less nursing output. The gain from Monday morning is marginal against the twenty percent loss.

[kaosmark2]

30 minutes ago, Neil said:

It's 20% less input. So a 20%  drop in output if effort is equal across all hours.

Most studies suggest that it's more like a 2-5% drop in output, because people maintain more efficiency, don't waste as much time/energy on commuting, and there's less sense of trying to squeeze in personal admin on either lunch breaks or while at work.

I have a friend who agreed to a 18% paycut to get a 4 day week, and he reckons he gets the exact same amount done as his colleagues that do 5 day weeks.

[Skip997]

Just now, kaosmark2 said:

I have a friend who agreed to a 18% paycut to get a 4 day week, and he reckons he gets the exact same amount done as his colleagues that do 5 day weeks.

I know that I'd comfortably get as much done in 3 days as I currently do in 5.

And Neil don't bother replying to this, I've got you on ignore.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I know that I'd comfortably get as much done in 3 days as I currently do in 5.

And Neil don't bother replying to this, I've got you on ignore.lll

I'll call out bollocks for the bollocks I is?

you're obviously not doing an honest five days work m glad I'm not your employer!

[Neil]

Wonder what Skippy thinks about the greens localism, when he takes no interest in local issues. To the extent of not being aware of local issues

[kaosmark2]

15 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I know that I'd comfortably get as much done in 3 days as I currently do in 5.

And Neil don't bother replying to this, I've got you on ignore.

No way I would in 3 days. 4 I probably would in most weeks but not 3.

[fraybentos1]

19 minutes ago, Neil said:

If there's twenty percent fewer nursing hours there's twenty percent less nursing output. The gain from Monday morning is marginal against the twenty percent loss.

Doesn't necessarily apply to every profession equally. Nurses work 3 or 4 days a week anyway long hours. Was more meaning typical mon-fri office jobs. People aren't robots.

[kaosmark2]

9 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Doesn't necessarily apply to every profession equally. Nurses work 3 or 4 days a week anyway long hours. Was more meaning typical mon-fri office jobs. People aren't robots.

There's also various studies evidencing that if people are doing shift work, they tend to perform much better in a 4-day week where they have 2.5-3.5 day gaps to transition between different shift patterns.

[fraybentos1]

7 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

There's also various studies evidencing that if people are doing shift work, they tend to perform much better in a 4-day week where they have 2.5-3.5 day gaps to transition between different shift patterns.

There are ways in any shift pattern to make things better for the employee that much is clear. We used to work 6 day weeks, no reason 4 can't be the norm and it probs will be in the future. Work life balance would be brilliant.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

20%cut in output means 20% less of what we want to have.

That’s not the case, studies and trials have shown that output remains the same if not higher on a 4 day week because people are much more productive. People are happier as they get more time with their loved ones and more time to themselves which equates to a more productive worker. 

[philipsteak]

Wouldn't have had Neil down as on the side of the Victorian mill owners when faced with the new fangled "weekend".

What's your stance on sending small children up chimneys?

[steviewevie]

wasn't there a 4 day week trial with a bunch of businesses a while ago, and most carried on with it after trial was over...?

[Skip997]

8 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

Wouldn't have had Neil down as on the side of the Victorian mill owners when faced with the new fangled "weekend".

What's your stance on sending small children up chimneys?

Wouldn't you?

No matter what he tries to look like on here, it's very clear what his actual politics are.

He'll also reply to this even though he knows I've got him on ignore.