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[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said:

Is this going to get addressed at some point? It's a blatant lie isn't it? Unless Boris is trying to suggest the only reason he knew it was a party was because of the email leak?

It’ll only matter if he would resign, everyone knows it’s a lie but the whole system relies on the Minister doing the honourable thing. 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said:

Is this going to get addressed at some point? It's a blatant lie isn't it? Unless Boris is trying to suggest the only reason he knew it was a party was because of the email leak?

it wasn't a party, it was work.

[steviewevie]

drip drip...

maybe plan is to bore us into submission.

 

[Justiceforcedave]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

it wasn't a party, it was work.

Probably should have said "There was no party. But there have been several post work meetings in the garden"

[Justiceforcedave]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

drip drip...

maybe plan is to bore us into submission.

 

The more hours of party that there were, the lower the percentage of time Boris spent at a party becomes.

[steviewevie]

meanwhile in US Democrat Senators Sinema and Manchin are trying their best to stop Biden being able to pass anything...and he only has until the autumn and then will probably lose both houses...and then the presidency in 2024...to Trump...

[steviewevie]

Director General of Covid taskforce my arse. Will not be able to respond to any further questions my arse again.

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[Cherry Tree]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

That is why he apologised so quickly, last thing he wants is to appear in front of a judge.

[tigger123]

 

[mcshed]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

The Tory one isn’t actually archaic. They only put the 1 vote every 12 months in after Theresa May won her VONC 3 years ago. It was thought to be more disruptive having potential VONCs hanging over a leader so they changed the rules to give immunity for 1 year.

There are other ways for Tories to get rid of a leader though such as a certain number of local Tory parties passing their own votes of no confidence. 

The rules of the 1922 committee are definitely archaic, given during the May debacle you had people physically going into an office and asking Graham Brady to give them there letters back to change their vote.

The no challenge for 12 months wasn't put in after May it was part of the rule Change after Thatcher had beaten off Tarzan's challenge but not by enough to avoid a second ballot and was convinced to resign rather than carry on with the mess. Immunity for 12 months seemed better than that spectacle.

[Crazyfool01]

wonder if they are clearing out all the bad stuff now to kill off Boris and give the new PM a clean slate ...

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, mcshed said:

The rules of the 1922 committee are definitely archaic, given during the May debacle you had people physically going into an office and asking Graham Brady to give them there letters back to change their vote.

The no challenge for 12 months wasn't put in after May it was part of the rule Change after Thatcher had beaten off Tarzan's challenge but not by enough to avoid a second ballot and was convinced to resign rather than carry on with the mess. Immunity for 12 months seemed better than that spectacle.

You are right, the change I’m thinking of was immunity for a new Tory leader for 12 months.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

wonder if they are clearing out all the bad stuff now to kill off Boris and give the new PM a clean slate ...

yeah, maybe..with these stories coming from telegraph does feel like that...or they're just trying to say it's widespread amongst civil servants in all departments and is not really the fault of Johnson but a systematic problem.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, maybe..with these stories coming from telegraph does feel like that...or they're just trying to say it's widespread amongst civil servants in all departments and is not really the fault of Johnson but a systematic problem.

I cant believe none of the cabinet were present at any of these work meetings either ... 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I cant believe none of the cabinet were present at any of these work meetings either ... 

Maybe. But speaking as a man of a certain age...these parties were probably mostly younger staff, right? The older farts just stayed home and watched tv. Except Gove of course.

[found home in 2009]

3 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Before calling one you need to be sure you have the numbers to win it. His MPs would most likely to support him, hypocritical as that sounds, as they don’t want an election or choose another leader.  

That's why I think it would be good to call one. Make his MPs back him, then they look hypocritical if they try to change leader. Basically leave the Tories stuck with a dead duck leader

[steviewevie]

Operation Save Big Dog

 

[mattiloy]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

or Chakrabarti

Yeah and if an independent report doesn’t say what you want it to you can always just keep booting it into the long grass indefinitely like the forde report.

[charlie.light]

36 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

wonder if they are clearing out all the bad stuff now to kill off Boris and give the new PM a clean slate ...

This is a sabotage mission by the British press, Boris isn’t going anywhere… not yet anyway. 
 

disclosure- I am appalled with the news of parties linked to his name. The police should do the lot of them 

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, charlie.light said:

This is a sabotage mission by the British press, Boris isn’t going anywhere… not yet anyway. 
 

disclosure- I am appalled with the news of parties linked to his name. The police should do the lot of them 

While you might be right in the way it’s all coming out … it needs to be there in the first place to be an issue .. clear as mud there is an issue of a culture within number 10 … 

[Guest]

It’s hardly sabotage if it actually happened. 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Operation Save Big Dog

 

He truly is a vile man that will cling onto power through any means necessary.