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[Gilgamesh69]

12 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I dont know enough about it to make judgement tbh ... anyone provide any basic explanation as to what is going on ? further than lots of rockets going back and forth ? 

They are colonisers that are stealing land from its rightful owners. Many palestinians are essentially held in a giant "prison" with autonomous weapons systems in place to stop them from leaving, and water and electricity controlled by Israel so they often have shortages imposed on them. Plus Israel has committed numerous war rimes and breached international many times, but it just gets ignored because they have the support of the US, UK, and more. But that's just the tip of the iceberg, there's so much more. Murdering children, threatening to out gay Arabs to the public, etc

Basically Israel doesn't belong there. 

 

 

 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

So the people of Palestine should just lay down and let themselves be murdered?
 

No, I'm pointing out that Their tactics to date don't work out well for them. Perhaps supporting something more democratic and less terrorist might be a better option.they only started getting murdered this time when they started chucking bombs around, and the Israeli's chucked moreand with greater accuracy.uktimately this is a conflict that will be won in the court of public opinion. Every time public opinion is on their side their moves undermine it

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

They are colonisers that are stealing land from its rightful owners. Many palestinians are essentially held in a giant "prison" with autonomous weapons systems in place to stop them from leaving, and water and electricity controlled by Israel so they often have shortages imposed on them. Plus Israel has committed numerous war rimes and breached international many times, but it just gets ignored because they have the support of the US, UK, and more. But that's just the tip of the iceberg, there's so much more. Murdering children, threatening to out gay Arabs to the public, etc

Basically Israel doesn't belong there. 

 

 

 

What is a rightful owner.today it's the Israeli's who were born on that land and not the Palestinians in Gaza.

[steviewevie]

Someone should just nuke Jerusalem

 

 

[eFestivals]

When the Palestinians had the support of the USA the Palestinians own Move's lost them that support.

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Someone should just nuke Jerusalem

 

 

Maybe the best bet cos neither side will ever be happy with the other side controlling it

[Gilgamesh69]

Oh for the love of God shut the fuck up Neil. You're absolutely clueless. Sure Hamas is bad, but that does not justify the actions of Israel. The whole "it's a very complex nuanced issue!" claim is such a bullshit cop-out. The Palestinians have been there for thousands of years, whilst most of the Israeli Jewish population is just descended from colonisers from the past 100 years or so. 

Israel does not belong there. This isn't a case of "It's the government that's bad, but the country is alright". The country itself should not exist. 

[eFestivals]

18 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

most of the Israeli Jewish population is just descended from colonisers from the past 100 years or so. 

which means those people were born on that land

75% of the population of gaza strip are aged under 25 which means they weren't born on what is today defined as israel.

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Oh for the love of God shut the fuck up Neil. You're absolutely clueless. Sure Hamas is bad, but that does not justify the actions of Israel. The whole "it's a very complex nuanced issue!" claim is such a bullshit cop-out. The Palestinians have been there for thousands of years, whilst most of the Israeli Jewish population is just descended from colonisers from the past 100 years or so. 

Israel does not belong there. This isn't a case of "It's the government that's bad, but the country is alright". The country itself should not exist. 

wo do you think is trying to justify the action of isreal. you clearly accept the right of the palestinians to use violence to defend themselves... but you clearly don accept the right of israel to do that?

[eFestivals]

26 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

You're absolutely clueless

AM I CLUELESS WHEN I SAY  theat the tactics of the Palestinians don't work out well for them? how many have died in the last few days since they started lobbing bombs into Isreal?are those extra deaths thing working out well for them?

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[Gilgamesh69]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

wo do you think is trying to justify the action of isreal. you clearly accept the right of the palestinians to use violence to defend themselves... but you clearly don accept the right of israel to do that?

Israel "defending" themselves? They shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

75% of the population of gaza strip are aged under 25 which means they weren't born on what is today defined as israel.

Only because their parents/grandparents were forcibly removed from their homes.

[eFestivals]

47 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

They are colonisers that are stealing land from its rightful owners.

there is no such thing as rihjtful owners?

 

 

47 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

 

Many palestinians are essentially held in a giant "prison" with autonomous weapons systems in place to stop them from leaving, and water and electricity controlled by Israel so they often have shortages imposed on them. Plus Israel has committed numerous war rimes and breached international many times, but it just gets ignored because they have the support of the US, UK, and more. But that's just the tip of the iceberg, there's so much more. Murdering children,

 

i don't disagree with most of that.

47 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

threatening to out gay Arabs to the public, etc

the danger from outing cones from who exactly?

 

47 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Basically Israel doesn't belong there. 

but its there. if the people are removed they have to go somwhere else "they don't belong"

so yoiu have no answers

[Gilgamesh69]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

AM I CLUELESS WHEN I SAY  theat the tactics of the Palestinians don't work out well for them? how many have died in the last few days since they started lombing bombs into Isreal?are those extra deaths thing working out well for them?

Ah yes, and when women are sexually assaulted they must have been asking for it right? Stop victim blaming.

Yes you are clueless.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Ah yes, and when women are sexually assaulted they must have been asking for it right? Stop victim blaming.

Yes you are clueless.

im not victim blaming? if you you accept the palestinians have the right to defend themselves why do you accept less for isrealis

[eFestivals]

the palestinian's tactic of the last 50 years has seen the amount of land available for them to live on shrink hugelythey even lost the right of residence within jordan beause of their tactics.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

There would be a lot more carnage from Hamas' rockets if wasn't for Israel's marvel iron dome thing.

Still not as much as comes back the other way.

[Gilgamesh69]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

im not victim blaming? if you you accept the palestinians have the right to defend themselves why do you accept less for isrealis

I already said. Israel does not belong there. If I break into someones home, move into one of their rooms, and then have a gun pointed at the door so they don't enter... that's not me "defending" myself. I don't belong there.

The whole idea of a Jewish homeland is bullshit. Just do what other religions do; pretty sure other religions don't have "homelands"

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Still not as much as comes back the other way.

isreal are reputed to operateva ten for one policy.

and when hamas lobs a rocket they know whats going to happen including more coming back at them.

[eFestivals]

17 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

I already said. Israel does not belong there. If I break into someones home, move into one of their rooms, and then have a gun pointed at the door so they don't enter... that's not me "defending" myself. I don't belong there.

The whole idea of a Jewish homeland is bullshit. Just do what other religions do; pretty sure other religions don't have "homelands"

other peoples do and established on the lands of others you never hear the same arguments against pakistan or bangladesh or even very often against every country of the americas.

other religions havent been persecuted in the same way Jews have been... at least put a bit of perspective into your thinking? then it might class as thinking and not raciist prejudice

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

15 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

I already said. Israel does not belong there

 

in yiur opinion... somone could also have the opinion that you or an immigrant do not belong in your county... it would be no more of a valid view than yours here.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[Gilgamesh69]

cba with this dumb shit

Fuck Israel and those who defend it. Supporting a state that murders children isn't cool 

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Still not as much as comes back the other way.

well, we'll never know as 90% of them get taken out...but yes, it is massively one sided towards Israel.

The only way through this is a two state solution, but can't see it ever happening at the momemt. Closest we got was 2000, Camp David and all that...that was probably the best chance and they blew it

[steviewevie]

 

[Gilgamesh69]

"two-state solution"

 

Cringe.

 

Team One State representttt

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

cba with this dumb shit

Fuck Israel and those who defend it. Supporting a state that murders children isn't cool 

ENOUGH OF THESHIT EYESIGHT  DUMB SHIT THAT SEES ANYON HERE DEFEDING IT?

AND HAMAS DONT CARE WHO THEY MURDER