U.S. Presidential Election

[steviewevie]

It's easy to get carried away with all the drama with Trump etc., and it really has been a manic few weeks...but already his poll ratings are starting to drop, and it really could be an easy win for a Democrat candidate with an electorate are just exhausted from the chaos.

[charlierc]

Why is anyone predicting how the 2028 election will go now? The first guess is almost always wrong. And I say this as someone who was adamant 2024 would see neither Biden nor Trump stand, yet we were one dreadful debate from Biden carrying out his plan to stand again (and indeed he thinks he shouldn't have dropped out).

[Olshansky]

On 2/16/2025 at 2:44 AM, steviewevie said:

 

 

People have been posting pictures of Luigi Mangione with this saying now, and I love it 

[Olshansky]

On 2/20/2025 at 1:22 PM, Crazyfool01 said:

dont think he will be the next president if they get free and fair elections .... but that seems unlikely as Trump is wanting to do a 3rd term , probably wont live that long and theyll install vance and no elections 

unfortunately I think it's entirely possible.  We will have to see how the supreme court pushes back, if at all.  
if they do allow him to have a third term, then maybe Obama will throw is hat in the ring again.  Not that I think Obama is a particularly good man - but he certainly could shake things up. 

[Skip997]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ymvjjqzmeo
 

We need more of this 

[steviewevie]

Enjoy

 

[steviewevie]

[kaosmark2]

Trump is really f**king over his own voters with these trade wars and tarriffs. Countries aren't going to let themselves be bullied by Trump, and in the vast majority of cases, what the US imports matters more to the US than what they export. Countries can lose a customer base more than the US can lose raw materials (or 1st/2nd stage processed goods in the case of China).

 

The US is down for a lot of pain, and the rapidly declining value of the dollar will only get worse.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

Trump is really f**king over his own voters with these trade wars and tarriffs. Countries aren't going to let themselves be bullied by Trump, and in the vast majority of cases, what the US imports matters more to the US than what they export. Countries can lose a customer base more than the US can lose raw materials (or 1st/2nd stage processed goods in the case of China).

 

The US is down for a lot of pain, and the rapidly declining value of the dollar will only get worse.

I guess he's doing it for a couple of reasons...one to get a better trading deal, two to bring back and/or help industries in US. The problem is if he does manage to get a better deal then tariffs are dropped and number two doesn't happen, and as you say at same time it could lead to economic pain, more inflation etc.

[kaosmark2]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess he's doing it for a couple of reasons...one to get a better trading deal, two to bring back and/or help industries in US. The problem is if he does manage to get a better deal then tariffs are dropped and number two doesn't happen, and as you say at same time it could lead to economic pain, more inflation etc.

The thing is, it only gets a better trading deal if other countries back down and go "oh sorry sir, of course we'll do what you want". But none of them will, after the responses by Columbia, Canada, China. Everyone will prefer to just have less trade with an unpredictable America than cede rights and lose out that way.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

The thing is, it only gets a better trading deal if other countries back down and go "oh sorry sir, of course we'll do what you want". But none of them will, after the responses by Columbia, Canada, China. Everyone will prefer to just have less trade with an unpredictable America than cede rights and lose out that way.

seems so...have to see if Trump backs down with these latest tariffs...

[Neil]

On 21/01/2025 at 18:41, Crazyfool01 said:

mentioned it elsewhere and probably on this thread before ... the forum software ( currently ) seems to only link embed to twitter and not any other sites .... hopefully that will change in the future and any updates can and will be posted from other sites . Glastonbury official also hasnt yet made the move away its alternatives are also still very quiet .

as mentioned elsewhere, its generic forums software [invision], only tweaked for better integration with the content manager system that i wrote from scratch  to manage the website. the linking options within the forums software get updated regularly, but also requires iggy (or whoever) to update this forums installation for new features to get installed.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Do they dare have AOC up against Vance or Trump jr or whoever the hell it is in 2028?

[Skip997]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Do they dare have AOC up against Vance or Trump jr or whoever the hell it is in 2028?

Will there still be elections by then 

[maelzoid]

On 21/03/2025 at 19:34, Skip997 said:

Will there still be elections by then 

No.

 

Someone upthread asked why Trump was enacting policies that are bad for his base. Trump is utterly transactional in everything he does. The base cannot give him anything anymore as in a free and fair election he cannot run. So I think he is purposely running the country towards chaos which will foment civil unrest. He then declares martial law and suspends elections.

[steviewevie]

[Olshansky]

On 21/03/2025 at 12:21, steviewevie said:

 

 

 

I'm a socialist - so for me, Berine and AOC aren't as left as I'd like them to be, and I find a lot of what they do performative.  But a good thing is a good thing and these days I will take a good thing from just about anyone trying to a good thing.  

The democratic party has so far learned nothing from this past election.  They are watching these AOC and Bernie rallies and doing absolutely nothing build on their momentum. One would think they see what's happening here and start to back "progressive" candidates, especially with so-called democracy on the line - but they don't. Instead establishment democrats will try and run Kamala again and they will lose. 

[steviewevie]

On 14/04/2025 at 19:44, Olshansky said:

 

 

I'm a socialist - so for me, Berine and AOC aren't as left as I'd like them to be, and I find a lot of what they do performative.  But a good thing is a good thing and these days I will take a good thing from just about anyone trying to a good thing.  

The democratic party has so far learned nothing from this past election.  They are watching these AOC and Bernie rallies and doing absolutely nothing build on their momentum. One would think they see what's happening here and start to back "progressive" candidates, especially with so-called democracy on the line - but they don't. Instead establishment democrats will try and run Kamala again and they will lose. 

Well...maybe AOC will be the next candidate, you never know. She might still be a bit young, and they might not want to go with another smart women because that might upset all the dumb men. She definitely has the x factor though, she can talk, good at media, good in debates, and would probably get more people out to vote, especially younger voters...but she also might put a lot of people off...there were a whole load of people who thought Harris was too progressive. Maybe a safer bet is someone like Tim Walz.

But, a long way to go. Who knows where things will be in 2028. 

[Olshansky]

56 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well...maybe AOC will be the next candidate, you never know. She might still be a bit young, and they might not want to go with another smart women because that might upset all the dumb men. She definitely has the x factor though, she can talk, good at media, good in debates, and would probably get more people out to vote, especially younger voters...but she also might put a lot of people off...there were a whole load of people who thought Harris was too progressive. Maybe a safer bet is someone like Tim Walz.

But, a long way to go. Who knows where things will be in 2028. 

 

I think AOC would get people out there. She will also put a lot of people off.  I think she does have that "cult of personality" thing that (sadly) seems to matter more than policy these days.  

The Democrats strategy is always trying to get Republicans to vote for them instead of the Republican candidate, which has failed them again and again.  It has alienate their base and caused Trump to win, when they should be throwing their weight behind where there is momentum - look at these Bernie and AOC rallies - there is momentum there, its undeniable.  Seems like Democrats would rather let fascists with than shift their agenda slightly leftward.  It's a shame.  

 

AOC did some interesting polling (i use that word loosely as she just used her instagram) where she asked her constituents why some of them voted for both her AND trump.  Largely, they said they felt they knew who she was and what she stood for, but also felt Kamala was "a cop" and "fake" and Trump was a known evil.  I can't quite make sense of that logic myself but it happened.  

 

I dont know where we will be in 28.  But I don't believe that we live in a democracy anymore.  And I don't believe that the american people have faith in their elections anymore. 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, Olshansky said:

 

I think AOC would get people out there. She will also put a lot of people off.  I think she does have that "cult of personality" thing that (sadly) seems to matter more than policy these days.  

The Democrats strategy is always trying to get Republicans to vote for them instead of the Republican candidate, which has failed them again and again.  It has alienate their base and caused Trump to win, when they should be throwing their weight behind where there is momentum - look at these Bernie and AOC rallies - there is momentum there, its undeniable.  Seems like Democrats would rather let fascists with than shift their agenda slightly leftward.  It's a shame.  

 

AOC did some interesting polling (i use that word loosely as she just used her instagram) where she asked her constituents why some of them voted for both her AND trump.  Largely, they said they felt they knew who she was and what she stood for, but also felt Kamala was "a cop" and "fake" and Trump was a known evil.  I can't quite make sense of that logic myself but it happened.  

 

I dont know where we will be in 28.  But I don't believe that we live in a democracy anymore.  And I don't believe that the american people have faith in their elections anymore. 

But they have to win in those swing states, not just New York and California. They need to win across the middle, not just the coasts.

[Olshansky]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

But they have to win in those swing states, not just New York and California. They need to win across the middle, not just the coasts.

 

I would argue that they should be trying to win the votes of the people who stay home and don't vote rather than the people who already have a candidate.  At this point, if you're a conservative who is voting for trump, you're brainwashed.  You aren't straying. 

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, Olshansky said:

 

I would argue that they should be trying to win the votes of the people who stay home and don't vote rather than the people who already have a candidate.  At this point, if you're a conservative who is voting for trump, you're brainwashed.  You aren't straying. 

well some may if Trump messes up the economy.

But yes agree need to also get those who didn't vote last time to the ballot box, so is that another smart female liberal from coasts, or an old fashioned american man like Biden or Walz? I guess AOC could get younger voters out, especially in student areas...but is that where they need them?

Personally I think they should go with someone from the left, see how they do....but skeptical how well they will do, and if they lose it's probably Vance.

[maelzoid]

Is it just me or is the BBC totally sane-washing Trump? Considering the litany of awful sh*t he has perpetrated in just 100 days, I'd hope for at least some objective reporting, but their coverage of him seems to completely pander to him and his base.