Women only venue

[Tommy101]

At first glance I thought this was going to be a stage with just female performers, accessible to anyone (possibly with EE's words about the gender gap in festival line ups still ringing in my ears). I think that might be a nice addition to the festival somewhere, probably outside of SL so no one dismisses it as satire, as a permanent feature to increase exposure of the gender gap without excluding exposure to a male audience.

I hope this venue is a welcome addition to the festival to those who will actually benefit from it. I'm a bloke, it's not there for me, however neither are the sheewee facilities and I'm not going to feel negative about being excluded from them either.

 

[Spindles]

I've been having a think about this and, if my daughter felt like she needed somewhere to go where she could escape fear of harassment I reckon I'd be pretty grateful for it's existence. 

[bamber]

That Guy in that video, never felt an unwanted grope, never had to deal with a barrage of negative comments. Never felt the need to escape his current circumstances for a minute in a male only environment. Never had any sort of unwanted sexual advance whatsoever.

Let us just accept a female-micro-venue silently is needed. Such a thing is incapable of producing any harm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Purple aki squat]

18 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

....with his dictionary in his hand....

Python dictionary?

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[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, bamber said:

 

Not this thread Bamber, please?

[bamber]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Not this thread Bamber, please?

Yes indeed in this thread my bruva.

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Proud to say I'm a regular at the North Sea Jazz Club.....

 

[jonodillieono]

17 minutes ago, bamber said:

Yes indeed in this thread my bruva.

Post more please

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[HalfAnIdiot]

On 09/06/2016 at 1:28 PM, The_Amazing_Oblong said:

Since this topic came up I've been poking about the internet looking at cases for and against 'safe spaces'. Anyways after considering both sides of the equation I stick by my original conclusion that this is a bad idea and promotes sexism. I found this video that really articulates my thoughts better than I could write them in this thread ;

 

Pale, Male and Stale - nuff said.

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[HalfAnIdiot]

5 minutes ago, bamber said:

 

bamber have you got a point to make or are you just being a tit?

[jonodillieono]

 

[jonodillieono]

Up the Mayberry

 

 

[bamber]

Just now, HalfAnIdiot said:

bamber have you got a point to make or are you just being a tit?

Being a tit in such a context is not titdom at alll...

 

[HalfAnIdiot]

1 minute ago, bamber said:

Being a tit in such a context is not titdom at alll...

 

Deep!

You're just being a tit then.

Thanks for knackering up a decent thread.

[bamber]

7 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

Deep!

You're just being a tit then.

Thanks for knackering up a decent thread.

You all will always have your own particular bent.

 

Edited June 11, 2016 by bamber

[jonodillieono]

8 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

Deep!

You're just being a tit then.

Thanks for knackering up a decent thread.

 

[ourkid1984]

On 08/06/2016 at 0:26 PM, Skoo said:

Here's my view on it, and where I see this space as being really useful.

In my experience, women can be awful to each other. We can get jealous of prettier, thinner women. Some women say they'd rather their boss was a man than a woman. Think about how ridiculous that is.

I can think of so many examples where I've experienced, or witnessed, women driven by insecurity making some other woman's life difficult in some way, in a way that I haven't experienced from men - men will lear and grope, which is obviously horrific, but I'm specifically talking here about women being less than supportive towards other women.

There are so many reasons for this behaviour I think.

It is fair to say that girls have it drilled into them via various forms of media from a young age, that their value to society is instrinsically linked to how good they look, and how young they are.

What's more, our society actively celebrates women who are prepared to voluntarily objectify themselves for the sake of making money. Pop stars, models, page 3 girls - look at Katie Price for goodness sake!

It's not enough now to be an attractive female pop star. Now, you need to feature in videos where you're writhing around provocatively, wearing as little as possible. Miley Cyrus? Rhianna? Even Girls Aloud videos can be raunchy, and the dance moves suggestive. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but it's now so prevalent across the music industry, and this is what our children are watching and aspiring to.

And the thing is, these female pop stars are likely doing this voluntarily. And I can understand why - who in their 20s wouldn't enjoy being dolled up by a hair and make up team, photoshopped, then filmed/photographed, only to have the world fall at their feet and shower them with adoration? It must be a serious ego boost.

But the impact on women in society is negative. It makes us feel like shit. 

The other factor is that with enough money, even a plain woman can transform herself to a certain degree, into something that society deems attractive - fake boobs, blonde hair, plenty of makeup etc. This creates a scenario where women aren't ever satisfied with their looks. "Oh, if I just change my hair colour, or lose an extra couple of pounds - THEN I'll be happy."

I know I am waffling here, but the point I am making is that when you reduce a whole gender down to their appearance, I think it creates friction amongst that group, it creates competition. Because the way you look isn't something you've earned or had to work for,like other skills. It's just pot luck.

Because of this constant portrayal of women in the media as sex objects, along with the fact that many women happily go along with it, at least in their youth, in order to get ahead in life, it means that instead of women supporting one another, it creates a lot of competition and friction and resentment, particularly among young women.

We can be our own worst enemies. Because by going along with it, voluntarily objectifying ourselves and convincing ourselves that it's acceptable to do so, nothing changes.

We put up with enough marginalisation in society at the hands of the men in charge - the last thing we should be doing is joining in with them and actually playing right into their hands.

So for me, I see this women's space, not as something that excludes men per se, but as a place to actually educate women themselves. To have women come together as a sisterhood. To drop all this petty competition with each other, and realise that we need to work together if we want anything to change.

 

 

 

That's pretty much how I feel on the matter.

Do I care as a man that there's a female only venue in a tiny area of the festival? No not at all. Actually I would like a bigger venue that is female only. I would also like a male only venue...... wait on not what people may be thinking. I mean in a similar way to this venue, where it promotes men to be more modern because of our own stupid faults and because of media etc, there's still a archaic attitude where there's pressure on us to be all full of testosterone and therefore be less in touch with our feminine side and it's there where problems are and where so much unfairness and inequality for women comes from. 

I work for an organisation where the workforce is female dominated and including higher paid positions. I'm the only male in my team and I've never spoke to another male who is a paid employee. I love working there and one of the main reasons is I have no pressure to be a "lad". One thing that does get me down is the hard time my colleagues give themselves and how much image affects them.

This venue for me just gives women a chance to feel empowered and that can only be a good thing. Just wish there was more venues like this in the real world.

[FieldOfAvalon]

Who gives a shit. I for one welcome our new female overlords.

[Bradders]

6 hours ago, ourkid1984 said:

That's pretty much how I feel on the matter.

Do I care as a man that there's a female only venue in a tiny area of the festival? No not at all. Actually I would like a bigger venue that is female only. I would also like a male only venue...... wait on not what people may be thinking. I mean in a similar way to this venue, where it promotes men to be more modern because of our own stupid faults and because of media etc, there's still a archaic attitude where there's pressure on us to be all full of testosterone and therefore be less in touch with our feminine side and it's there where problems are and where so much unfairness and inequality for women comes from. 

I work for an organisation where the workforce is female dominated and including higher paid positions. I'm the only male in my team and I've never spoke to another male who is a paid employee. I love working there and one of the main reasons is I have no pressure to be a "lad". One thing that does get me down is the hard time my colleagues give themselves and how much image affects them.

This venue for me just gives women a chance to feel empowered and that can only be a good thing. Just wish there was more venues like this in the real world.

I was thinking something like this. It'd be really interesting to have a male tent devoted to things like mental health and our inability to talk about it. Bit heavy for a festival like but there's loads of fun stuff they could put in there too.