Political equality @ Glasto...

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Where's the huge mural mocking Ed Miliband?

 

 

If Ed Miliband ever does anything to deserve one he'll get one.

Also...

 

Creative, artistic people are almost always left-wing/liberal.

I'd like to think it's because if you've got the imagination required to write a song or make a piece of art, then you can more easily imagine what its like to be unemployed, a minority, etc. 

 

It'll also be because the lot currently in power have a habit of cutting arts funding. Vicous circle.

so you'd happily wish people dead, because their political views differ from yours? regardless of my political persuasion, thats a bit fucked up.

Osborne and IDS don't seem to mind people dying, so why should we? https://www.change.org/p/hm-courts-and-tribunal-service-publish-stats-showing-how-many-people-have-died-after-their-benefits-stopped

 

what you're missing is that the tories never play nicely with the oiks.

 

The oiks only exist for the tories to exploit.

this.

[Amy Lawn]

Efests has done herself proud here, with her noble and eloquent users making some wonderful posts. I'm afraid have to bring the tone down by putting in that if you go to Ascot, or any other horse racing event, you're partaking in horrible horrible shit. Fucking deepest circle of hell those places. Got into an argument the other day with some prick on Facebook who mouthed off about bullfighting (which is vile, don't misunderstand me), but goes to Aintree. In my mind, at least the Spanish have the balls to face up to the barbarism they're there to celebrate, at least one in every thousand bulls gets to disembowel the cowardly little fuck that's making money off his misery and degradation.

[Teddington]

As a Tory I find it amusing to see some of these replies.

 

Of course there will be some who's intellect is a bit "low" and no doubt they "swallow the party line"  and spout nonsense.

 

Equally there will a be a few who fundamentally believe in left wing politics and put up a decent show.

 

To say that Conservatism is selfish is totally wrong imo.

 

Conservatism (as I see it anyway) is about promoting equality of opportunity.  Equality itself is  a horrible socialist value that has no place in our society, but equal  OPPORTUNITY should be strived for.

 

There should, of course, be a safety net, but that's exactly what it should be- a short term safety net not a lifestyle choice.

 

 

I had a highly amusing debate with the CND last time I was at Glasto.  In the end he admitted that his facts were WRONG...........yet still didn't remove his lies............

 

Now I didn't care, I knew they were BS, but 95% of the  people at the festival would have taken the facts as true.........

 

 

Then again  it's a festival, not important at all in the grand scheme of things.

[russycarps]

As a Tory I find it amusing to see some of these replies.

Of course there will be some who's intellect is a bit "low" and no doubt they "swallow the party line" and spout nonsense.

Equally there will a be a few who fundamentally believe in left wing politics and put up a decent show.

To say that Conservatism is selfish is totally wrong imo.

Conservatism (as I see it anyway) is about promoting equality of opportunity. Equality itself is a horrible socialist value that has no place in our society, but equal OPPORTUNITY should be strived for.

There should, of course, be a safety net, but that's exactly what it should be- a short term safety net not a lifestyle choice.

I had a highly amusing debate with the CND last time I was at Glasto. In the end he admitted that his facts were WRONG...........yet still didn't remove his lies............

Now I didn't care, I knew they were BS, but 95% of the people at the festival would have taken the facts as true.........

Then again it's a festival, not important at all in the grand scheme of things.

Yes but you're a massive c**t so you're bound to think like that.

[Rose-Colored Boy]

To say that Conservatism is selfish is totally wrong imo.

Conservatism (as I see it anyway) is about promoting equality of opportunity. Equality itself is a horrible socialist value that has no place in our society

Good god, BonScott back again? How's your Audi A5?

[Teddington]

Yes but you're a massive c**t so you're bound to think like that.

 

 

What an  eloquent and erudite reply.

 

You don't come over as a bellend at all.

[Teddington]

Good god, BonScott back again? How's your Audi A5?

 

Who?  And I don't have one.

 

Which bit's don't you agree with?  Happy to have a debate.

[Nuthugger]

The Tories prey on the most vulnerable in society, take away workers' rights, and they're currently fighting to scrap the Human Rights Act. Their ideology has no place at Glastonbury. 

[Teddington]

The Tories prey on the most vulnerable in society, take away workers' rights, and they're currently fighting to scrap the Human Rights Act. Their ideology has no place at Glastonbury. 

 

 

Really they prey on the most vulnerable?

Workers rights?  Surely the supply of labour should be based on mutual benefit?  Or maybe you would like to explain why this shouldn't be the case?

 

The human rights act?  Dont make me laugh.  I hope they do scrap it as it's the biggest load of bollocks that we have had imposed on us in a LONG time.

 

Or maybe you enjoy the fact that terrorists can live here, claim benefits paid for by OUR money, and preach politics of hate that lead to UK citizens dying?

 

No place at Glastonbury?  What gives YOU the right to say what is "acceptable" or otherwise at a music festival?

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Who? And I don't have one.

Which bit's don't you agree with? Happy to have a debate.

I'd be especially interested in hearing you try justify the one about conservatism not being selfish to its very core, but I won't hold out hope.

[fur_q]

The human rights act? Dont make me laugh. I hope they do scrap it as it's the biggest load of bollocks that we have had imposed on us in a LONG time.

Yeah imposed on us by that anti British leftie Winston Churchill

[Winslow Leach]

Really they prey on the most vulnerable?

Workers rights?  Surely the supply of labour should be based on mutual benefit?  Or maybe you would like to explain why this shouldn't be the case?

 

The human rights act?  Dont make me laugh.  I hope they do scrap it as it's the biggest load of bollocks that we have had imposed on us in a LONG time.

 

Or maybe you enjoy the fact that terrorists can live here, claim benefits paid for by OUR money, and preach politics of hate that lead to UK citizens dying?

 

No place at Glastonbury?  What gives YOU the right to say what is "acceptable" or otherwise at a music festival?

 

 

You're either a troll wasting your Friday night trying to get a rise from people, or you actually believe what you post. It doesn't really bother me much, the end result is the same. One side of me hopes that one day you'll figure out what that hollow, gnawing feeling inside yourself is, and the other side of me hope that realisation will come too late to do anything about it.

[Teddington]

Whoa whoa whoa

Gotta pull you up there on a classic right-wing mistake. From the lofty heights of the successful right wing where things are calm and peaceful, because all the messy dross have been shoved to the bottom, it might appear that there's a lot of snapping dogs in the left - but that is a helpless reaction to the aloof indifference of the right.

When you dismiss very strongly felt beliefs and feelings as "narrow minded" you are aggressively fuelling the fires that lead to that anger and snapping in the first place.

This might be why you're not getting the anger and rage in some of the festival's fringes. Those people on the fringes have been through hell - I'd strongly recommend having a read up on the Battle of the Beanfield and imagining how that would affect your feelings - have a look at other great tory moments such as the breaking of the strikes and the criminal justice act....

These things are nigh-on incomprehensible from a peaceful upper-middle class existence with a nice house and garden and peaceful surroundings - but it's a small percentage who get to live like that and the majority are easily forgotten when they're out of sight and earshot. It's not even intentional - it's just how life is if that's what you're used to. You have to breach the comfort zone to find it then suddenly there's a wall of raw emotion and deeply upset people

When someone's really angry it's best to see if you can work out whether they've got cause before dismissing it - outbursts of anger aren't always a sign of weakness, but often a sign of having to bottle it up for too long.

 

But surely it's all relative.

 

e.g. the " Upper Middle Classes" probably don't think of themselves as such.

 

Do they jealously hate the "Lower Upper Classes"? Probably not, at least not in the main.

 

Ok so that established, where do you draw the line?

 

The "Upper Lower Class" , are they happy or do they have this hate?

 

"Middle Lower"?

 

"Lower Lower"  - who are these people?  Benefit claimants?  They presumably hate everyone because they are in "this" situation?

 

 

Sorry mate, but you will have to do better than this.

[Teddington]

I'd be especially interested in hearing you try justify the one about conservatism not being selfish to its very core, but I won't hold out hope.

 

Ok tell me why you think it IS selfish.

[Teddington]

Yeah imposed on us by that anti British leftie Winston Churchill

 

Well I bow to your superior knowledge on that one.

 

My thoughts on it remain unchanged.

[Teddington]

You're either a troll wasting your Friday night trying to get a rise from people, or you actually believe what you post. It doesn't really bother me much, the end result is the same. One side of me hopes that one day you'll figure out what that hollow, gnawing feeling inside yourself is, and the other side of me hope that realisation will come too late to do anything about it.

 

All very subjective views without actually challenging the points made.

 

Now how am I supposed to take you seriously?

[Glastoboy]

Happy to have a debate.

 

I'm sure you do. May I redirect you back to the Guardian comments section, that's where all the enthusiastic right wingers seem to hang out these days.

[Winslow Leach]

All very subjective views without actually challenging the points made.

 

Now how am I supposed to take you seriously?

 

You could begin by going away.

[tweed1981]

 

The human rights act?  Dont make me laugh.  I hope they do scrap it as it's the biggest load of bollocks that we have had imposed on us in a LONG time.

 

 

 

Now I know its a piss take 

[Teddington]

You could begin by going away.

 

That sure of your arguments eh?

[Starks]

Ok I am going to put my head above the parapet and say what I would like to(mostly because I am a bit drunk).

I did not vote Tory, maybe I will at some point in the future, maybe I won't, I have voted Labour in the past, but if I did it would be for idealogical reasons. I am a liberation, I won't go in to my own personal politics as that is some what off the topic, but I fully understand the background at Glastonbury, and understand the reasons for the Idealogical standing of the festival, and am not surprised or upset by any of the things in Shangri-La or the Leftfeild, I am fully open to honest debate and some of the comments that have been expressed here are quite hard to stomach "the only good Tory is a Dead Tory"... Seriously guys sort it out....

[Teddington]

Now I know its a piss take 

 

 

How so?

 

Ok let's choose a random consequence of this act.

 

Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, sentenced to nine years in jail for his role in the Islamist bomb plot of July 21, 2005, has been released after serving half his term and is now walking the streets of London because his “human rights” mean he cannot be deported to his native eritrea.

 

I presume you are happy with that?

[bamber]

It's so simple......

 

If you are a selfish prick, go to Henley Reggata, go to the Polo, go to Ascot, leave the gregarious friendly people at Glastonbury alone. It's not for you.

Edited July 10, 2015 by bamber

[Amy Lawn]

Teddington, old sport, what say you and I put on our rowing blazers, take a jolly over to the efests forum, and start winding up some of the oiks? Ripping good laugh for a Friday night, old chap.

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Ok tell me why you think it IS selfish.

Because they go out of their way to attack social mobility - preferring to protect their place at the top of society rather than risk having to share their (usually unearned) extortionate personal wealth with those born into less priveledged families? Because their way of dealing with the fact the last five years of austerity were self-defeating is to inflict further university debt on those who were barely out of nappies when the economic crash happened rather than prosecuting their city chums who caused it? Because they refused to tell the electorate of £12bn of welfare cuts before being voted back in, preferring to do the wrong thing in order to keep their jobs rather than be honest for the good of the country?

The very fact 'shy Tories' are a thing that exists tells you everything that needs to be said about the moral values held by the Conservatvies and their supporters, but interacting with RW nutjobs isn't my Friday night thrill of choice so I shall here bid thee goodnight.