Headliners 2015

[Bonehead> Clapton]

That's not quite how it is.

To prove any intent to access the images, they need to have evidence to support it.

In most cases just signing up would be evidence of that intent, but with Townsend he had a plusible excuse at the ready, which they basically had to accept without them having further evidence beyond him signing up to the site.

Just because he had a plausible excuse that the police accepted as point of law doesn't actually prove anything either way about what his intent actually was. It just really says that there's no evidence to support a claim of bad intent by Townsend.

In his particular case he knew the old bill were coming for him, which gave him ample opportunity to clear out any evidence and to consult a solicitor about how he could lessen the effects back on him of the crime the police could prove he'd committed.

That's not me trying to damn him, that's me putting the full context onto what happened, to put back against the others saying he little wrong. My point is that we don't really know either way, we only know how the police concluded the case in a legal sense - which was NOT by declaring him innocent but the exact opposite.

I disagree with the Clearing out evidence bit, They can pull data off any computer , even if the files have been dleteed or whatever.

[T-Mouse]

On the Townshend thing, it's all very odd, but pretty strongly in his favour is that he had written a few articles about child porn and posted them on his website, months before being arrested. Here's one:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/pete-townshends-child-porn-treatise?

Good find that. Had no idea this existed. It's still an odd way to conduct yourself mind, but this does seem to give some weight to the suggestion of research.

Also I didn't realise the guy from Massive Attack was investigated in operation ore as well.

[Franky]

That could be it, or he might be innocent.

All we really know for sure is that he signed up and paid for access to a child abuse website.

Exactly Neil, and that is probably what he admitted in order to recieve his caution.

[eFestivals]

I disagree with the Clearing out evidence bit, They can pull data off any computer , even if the files have been dleteed or whatever.

they can't if the computers have already 'disappeared'.

He had ample time for a clear-out. That doesn't mean he did clear stuff out, but that its a fact he had the opportunity to do so.

[Franky]

I disagree with the Clearing out evidence bit, They can pull data off any computer , even if the files have been dleteed or whatever.

This is true, now you are speaking with some knowledge of a subject. The only true way to get of rid of the images would have been to discard the HD or destroy it in some way.

Not that I am saying he had images on the HD in the first place.

[Fivefingerjohn]

I like the way all the who haters have totally ignored a posters link regarding townshend writing about child pornography before he was caught

[eFestivals]

Also I didn't realise the guy from Massive Attack was investigated in operation ore as well.

That was a completely different thing, as his credit card had been used fraudulently.

A lot of the transactions at that child abuse website had been made by stolen credit cards, which was the excuse given for shutting down the Operation Ore investigation when only about 20% of the list had been investigated .... tho the suspicion has always been that some of the famous names on the list were figures the govt wanted to protect.

[Homer]

Maybe they should only be allowed to play the John Peel Stage

Might be appropriate - didn't John Peel say some dodgy stuff in his autobiography?!

[st dan]

Maybe the article was a cover up incase he was ever rumbled?

[Bonehead> Clapton]

This is true, now you are speaking with some knowledge of a subject. The only true way to get of rid of the images would have been to discard the HD or destroy it in some way.

Not that I am saying he had images on the HD in the first place.

Yea! and surely that would of caused even more suspicion if his computer had "dissapered" or "broke". Im sure they can check IP addresses aswell if anything was donwloaded. So im pretty sure the police were fairly confident nothing was on the comp or been downloaded. Its obviously a hard situation to judge tho.

Intresting about the articles he was writing a few months before aswell!

[eFestivals]

I like the way all the who haters have totally ignored a posters link regarding townshend writing about child pornography before he was caught

who's hating?

I'm attempting to properly point out the facts of what happened, where Townsend wasn't found innocent as has been suggested by some, and where some are making claims to mitigate what he was caught for when such claims are as factually-flimsy within the full context as any claim that he's a paedo.

I'm very happy for people to form their own opinions around it all, but the best opinions reference the best available facts and I've attempted to give those facts.

Personally, I think it's more likely he's not a paedo than he is one, tho I wouldn't risk a child to his care. Just in case.

[Bonehead> Clapton]

Might be appropriate - didn't John Peel say some dodgy stuff in his autobiography?!

Christ what is this forum turning into! a witch hunt??

[eFestivals]

I like the way all the who haters have totally ignored a posters link regarding townshend writing about child pornography before he was caught

I'll just point out that article is dated 4 years AFTER he'd paid for access to a child porn website.

[Homer]

Christ what is this forum turning into! a witch hunt??

No, it's a genuine question. Anyone know the answer?

[eFestivals]

No, it's a genuine question. Anyone know the answer?

I can't speak for others, but I got into this tangent to point out some factual errors in what some others had said.

[Franky]

Yea! and surely that would of caused even more suspicion if his computer had "dissapered" or "broke". Im sure they can check IP addresses aswell if anything was donwloaded. So im pretty sure the police were fairly confident nothing was on the comp or been downloaded. Its obviously a hard situation to judge tho.

Intresting about the articles he was writing a few months before aswell!

They could have checked what had been downloaded to a certain extent but without the actual evidence would not have been able to do much. There are some very clever hackers out there that can fool even the best police forces or security services into thinking something was dloaded by someone to a certain IP address so without the images they would not have been able to do anything.

Out of interest are you now retracting your earlier statement about my good self

I would like to state that I am also not judging as I simply don't know enough of the facts I am just helping people understand the legal side of things.

I won't be watching them as I think they are boring !

[Icewulf]

SO MUCH CONJECTURE.

[Franky]

Re the Witch Hunt I believe if we dunk him under water for 5 minutes and he comes up dead he was not a Witch if he comes up alive then we can burn him on the Wicker Man.

Sounds perfectly fair to me.

[Bonehead> Clapton]

They could have checked what had been downloaded to a certain extent but without the actual evidence would not have been able to do much. There are some very clever hackers out there that can fool even the best police forces or security services into thinking something was dloaded by someone to a certain IP address so without the images they would not have been able to do anything.

Out of interest are you now retracting your earlier statement about my good self

I would like to state that I am also not judging as I simply don't know enough of the facts I am just helping people understand the legal side of things.

I won't be watching them as I think they are boring !

Yea 2bh, you just got blunt end of it. Too many people on here, adament he's guilty without having any knowledge of the case or legal system.

[Fivefingerjohn]

I'll just point out that article is dated 4 years AFTER he'd paid for access to a child porn website.

Fair enough

[Fivefingerjohn]

So anyway, good chance of an announcement today I'd have thought?

[russycarps]

Yea 2bh, you just got blunt end of it. Too many people on here, adament he's guilty without having any knowledge of the case or legal system.

he admitted his guilt

[Franky]

Yea 2bh, you just got blunt end of it. Too many people on here, adament he's guilty without having any knowledge of the case or legal system.

HAHA sucker ! I was right and you were wrong ner ner lol

Jokes jokes jokes, respect to you for that old chap.

Now everybody should go an read my new and totally awesome thread on secret gigs this year

[Bonehead> Clapton]

he admitted his guilt

Of paying to access it. Not once admitted he's guilty of downloading or viewing that kind of matieral

[Franky]

he admitted his guilt

This is twice this year we agree on something Russy what's going on ! I think the problem is nobody know exactly what it is he admitted he was guilty of. Anyway this is getting boring now so,

Everyone go and read and comment on my secret gigs thread