Headliners 2015

[Franky]

Pete Townsend was not innocent. :rolleyes:He admitted his guilt, and was given a caution because he admitted his guilt.(you cannot get a caution unless you do admit your guilt).

This is true. Can't argue with the facts.

[Franky]

Yes you can. I was released on bail under caution for a week once before all charges were dropped, at no point did I admit anything.

Being released on bail under caution and receiving a caution are two totally different things.

[Homer]

He admitted to downloading child porn saying it was 'research' for his autobiog as he thought he may have been abused himself. Does anyone honestly believe that?! And even if that was the reason, he still shouldn't (I don't think) be supplying a market and encouraging more of it to produced. But then I'm a bit of a liberal I guess!

[Icewulf]

compete bull.

He admitted his guilt and was given an official caution.

Being given a caution isn't the same as being charged with an offence! That just shows the ignorance of people on this site if you think that's the same thing! It was stated that the charges brought against him were dropped!

Look, I'm not saying the guy is squeaky clean, far from it, but this whole "they shouldn't have been booked/no-one should go see them" because of an 8 year old police investigation/caution that brought no further evidence is for me the very definition of a witch hunt.

By all means don't go and see them, but don't try and make out I'm somehow supporting child porn rings by choosing to watch them myself (if I do).

[Homer]

By all means don't go and see them, but don't try and make out I'm somehow supporting child porn rings by choosing to watch them myself (if I do).

You really need to insert the words 'The Who' into this sentence instead of 'them'!

[Franky]

Being given a caution isn't the same as being charged with an offence! That just shows the ignorance of people on this site if you think that's the same thing! It was stated that the charges brought against him were dropped!

Look, I'm not saying the guy is squeaky clean, far from it, but this whole "they shouldn't have been booked/no-one should go see them" because of an 8 year old police investigation/caution that brought no further evidence is for me the very definition of a witch hunt.

By all means don't go and see them, but don't try and make out I'm somehow supporting child porn rings by choosing to watch them myself (if I do).

If he had not admitted the offence the case would have been passed to the CPS to decide if there was enough to charge him, his brief would have explained this to him and he knew he would have had to roll th dice. His brief would also have told him that a disposal option was open to him by way of a caution IF he admitted the offence. That option being a caution.

[Homer]

Well, it's not heartbreaking for me anyway - Belle and Sebastian followed by the second half of the Chems.

[eFestivals]

Yes you can. I was released on bail under caution for a week once before all charges were dropped, at no point did I admit anything.

You're wrong.

You are either bailed, or cautioned, for any single offence. Not both at the same time.

Bail is what happens before the case is formally resolved.

A caution happens at the point a case is formally resolved, and is a type of conviction, something which happens after guilt is proven (proven via the admission of the perpetrator, in the case of a caution).

[Icewulf]

You really need to insert the words 'The Who' into this sentence instead of 'them'!

Sorry I didn't mean the who I meant the United Pedophile Bear Hunting Tax Dodgers, aren't they headlining Sunday night?

[Homer]

Sorry I didn't mean the who I meant the United Pedophile Bear Hunting Tax Dodgers, aren't they headlining Sunday night?

Same difference (right commuters?!).

[eFestivals]

Being given a caution isn't the same as being charged with an offence!

True.

It's the same as being CONVICTED with an offence.

You couldn't be more wrong than you are. Townsend admitted his guilt, and was given a caution as an alternative (with Townsend's acceptance of the alternative) to being prosecuted thru the court system

[Icewulf]

You're wrong.

You are either bailed, or cautioned, for any single offence. Not both at the same time.

Bail is what happens before the case is formally resolved.

A caution happens at the point a case is formally resolved, and is a type of conviction, something which happens after guilt is proven (proven via the admission of the perpetrator, in the case of a caution).

https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty

You might want to check this page before you start making claims like that. Specifically the line "a Caution is not a criminal conviction".

[Icewulf]

True.

It's the same as being CONVICTED with an offence.

You couldn't be more wrong than you are. Townsend admitted his guilt, and was given a caution as an alternative (with Townsend's acceptance of the alternative) to being prosecuted thru the court system

See above, and check your facts before you start branding people as wrong.

[Franky]

True.It's the same as being CONVICTED with an offence.You couldn't be more wrong than you are. Townsend admitted his guilt, and was given a caution as an alternative (with Townsend's acceptance of the alternative) to being prosecuted thru the court system

As much as I agree with you mate and the point your making, a caution is not a form or type or even conviction it's merely a disposal option open to the police rather than informing the CPS. Would averge Jo have been given this option ? Probably not. In this case however it was. He did make a " full and frank admission" in a taped interview and the decision was made to give him a caution.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Franky

[ticketboy69]

Or some of us actually have the capacity to acknowledge the awful shit that talented people have done, weigh up how we feel about it and how it makes us feel about their body of work and make a personal decision based upon that period of reflection, all while also being aware that our decision may be inconsistent or hypocritical due to the inescapable nature of celebrity culture and the cult of personality around creative types.

Winslow out.

Absolutely spot on!

[eFestivals]

https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty

You might want to check this page before you start making claims like that. Specifically the line "a Caution is not a criminal conviction".

A caution is given as an alternative to a conviction, when a conviction would be guaranteed if the case when to court.

So while in law it might not be formally regarded as a conviction, it's very definitely something that only ever happens to people who are guilty of committing that offence.

Cautions are *NEVER* given to the innocent. Cautions are only given to those who admit their guilt of the offence.

[Franky]

A caution is given as an alternative to a conviction, when a conviction would be guaranteed if the case when to court.So while in law it might not be formally regarded as a conviction, it's very definitely something that only ever happens to people who are guilty of committing that offence.Cautions are *NEVER* given to the innocent. Cautions are only given to those who admit their guilt of the offence.

Nothing is ever guaranteed in court old chap, especially where a jury is concerned.

Cautions as you say are only given to people who first admit the offence.

I think we should get this thread back on topic really. Too many people chiming in on something they know nothing about.

I still say it's all a cover up for the KLF )))

[mungo57]

A caution is given as an alternative to a conviction, when a conviction would be guaranteed if the case when to court.

So while in law it might not be formally regarded as a conviction, it's very definitely something that only ever happens to people who are guilty of committing that offence.

Cautions are *NEVER* given to the innocent. Cautions are only given to those who admit their guilt of the offence.

I agree with Neil.

About 4 /5 years ago I was on the way to meet my dealer when I was clocked by a plain clothes rozzer, he obviously saw me do the deal or thought I looked shifty as I walked past him twice once way there once way back, he intercepted me and a panda car with 2 uniforms appeared and I was arrested, cautioned and dearrested within the space of 4 or 5 mins, they said that as I had admitted it and I had handed over my score they wouldn't prosecute me but would officially caution me as it wasn't in their interests to push for a trial and conviction. I only had 1.8 on me anyway (£20).

Same thing with PT. He gave them what they wanted and because he was rich and famous they let him off with a caution. Maybe the rozzer who made the call's favourite band was The Who?!

Edited May 5, 2015 by mungo57

[SloopJohnB]

Wow! This thread has gone a bit dark!

Edited May 5, 2015 by SloopJohnB

[mungo57]

Wow! This thread has gone a bit dark!

This is what happens when Glasto insist on booking weirdos to headline

[Icewulf]

Aaaaand just like that this conversation has lost its point. I never claimed he was innocent, I only stated that witch hunts like this one could lead to innocent people being accused of crimes they didn't commit. So I'm not sure what your point is here anyway

I guess the only way to settle this is as follows:

If you're convinced Pete Townshend is a nonce don't go see The Who

If you don't like The Who generally, don't go and see The Who

If you're a fan of The Who or like their music, and don't think Pete Townshend is a nonce, and there's nothing better on, go and see The Who.

Now can we bloody move on?

Edited May 5, 2015 by Icewulf

[eFestivals]

Nothing is ever guaranteed in court old chap, especially where a jury is concerned.

Cautions as you say are only given to people who first admit the offence.

True on the first. I guess the proper way of saying it would be to say that the Police believe they have solid evidence to ensure a conviction, but whether the conviction happens remains at the jury's discression.

But ultimately it's the 2nd that is the important part. A person who admits an offence is guilty of that offence.

[Icewulf]

I think we should get this thread back on topic really. Too many people chiming in on something they know nothing about.

Yeah, this certainly applies to me.

One too many coffees this morning I think

[Homer]

I think he is a paedo and the who are sh1t. Not much for me here.

[Hugh Jass]

This is what happens when Glasto insist on booking weirdos to headline

God only knows what would have happened had Michael Jackson lived long enough to headline.