Metallica 2014

[TomWales]

I've found some of the worst crowds I've been in (and I've been to dozens of metal shows) have been for some massive hype band full of teenagers.

Bands like KOL, The Libertines, Arctic Monkeys (mid 2000s, not now ha). Mainly because people are there to pointlessly shove as far forward as they can, metal shows where people are having a good time and looking after each other are a lot safer crowd wise than seeing some big "hype" bands full of pushy idiots.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

i like the Black Album, but that'd be poor (especially since they already did Black Album full album shows a couple of years back). i suspect / hope we get a standard setlist from them. no more, no less. one or two 'surprise' or lesser played songs would be okay, but at the end of the day i (and i'm sure everybody else there) wants a standard Metallica show, not one tailored to the fact that there may be a couple of people not familiar with / into thrash metal

I don't mind the Black album. That was my first initial entry point for Metallica whenever I was younger but as my tastes towards harder music developed, I started gravitating towards their earlier music and discovering more about them.

'Load' wouldn't be a bad album to play some songs from at Glastonbury if you take into account the audience - it's music designed to appeal to people. If Metallica didn't give a shit and just played a standard Metallica set, irrespective of the audience, I'll get my Master of Puppets and all will be grand. It'll just be shit for people like me who do want that only to be surrounded by people who aren't as up for it as I am, but I'm re-assuring myself that the closer I get to the front the more likely I'll be surrounded by people who made the effort and actually want to be there to see Metallica.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

I've found some of the worst crowds I've been in (and I've been to dozens of metal shows) have been for some massive hype band full of teenagers.

Bands like KOL, The Libertines, Arctic Monkeys (mid 2000s, not now ha). Mainly because people are there to pointlessly shove as far forward as they can, metal shows where people are having a good time and looking after each other are a lot safer crowd wise than seeing some big "hype" bands full of pushy idiots.

This.

[Wooderson]

No, but it's not up to you to determine that it's wrong for them to do it.

Disagree. There are a variety of behaviours that someone can be called on for being out of line on. Pissing in the bushes and trampelling on tents to name but two.

No one is trying to wreck anyones buzz here. Facts are that Metallica needs Glastonbury more than the other way round. Theyre never playing the fest again and I only a idiot could see any of the other "big 4" play it - never mind headline it - in the future.

This is Glastonbury festival. Metallica will be welcomed with open and expectant arms - by me more than most! Yet I will be very intolerant of people thinking "metal rules apply okay" and start acting the prick.

[Inconspicuous]

I appreciate where some of you are coming from saying 'I don't want to be pushed around" etc and granted you will probably be nearer the back where that kind of stuff won't happen. But I can also understand the other side of the arguement. Don't go in front of the crush barrier and expect to stand there pleasently and just clap at the end of each song. I will be near the front and I want to enjoy the music and get into it , there will be some *light* mosh pits and some shoving so if you are not into all of that, thats fine, stand further back.

I can see where Dave the Hedgehog is coming from (I would by no means call myself a metal fan btw) it starts to get dangerous down the front when the former type of person goes there knowing full well what they are getting themselves into. Yes, it's glastonbury but its inevitable there will be people down the front who want to get into the music by moshing (it does happen at glastonbury occasionally, pendulum, prodigy, enter shikari). I can imagine it will only be down by the front of the stage so if you don't like the sound of it, don't get yourself into that situation.

It's just common sense really at a heavier gig. I'm sure everyone will have an amazing experience whatever they do. I can't wait!

[smogo]

I've found some of the worst crowds I've been in (and I've been to dozens of metal shows) have been for some massive hype band full of teenagers.

Bands like KOL, The Libertines, Arctic Monkeys (mid 2000s, not now ha). Mainly because people are there to pointlessly shove as far forward as they can, metal shows where people are having a good time and looking after each other are a lot safer crowd wise than seeing some big "hype" bands full of pushy idiots.

I've been to a ton of metal gigs, but the only gig that I've ever ended up bleeding at was Crystal Castles. (Didn't mind though, it's all part of the fun with Crystal Castles.)

[Dave The Hedgehog]

It's just common sense really at a heavier gig. I'm sure everyone will have an amazing experience whatever they do. I can't wait!

I think it's important for others to not look down on those who determine that their method of appreciating the music is to run around with 20 or 30 other people in a circle. Just sit back, watch, enjoy, and don't judge. Just let everybody enjoy themselves and we'll all get along.

[Wooderson]

it does happen at glastonbury occasionally, enter shikari

Their bass player's attempts to get a circle going a few years back was cute. Poor lamb.

[TomWales]

I don't think I've ever bled from the crowd at a gig, I got punched in the head at a Muse show once...

[Inconspicuous]

Also, another thing is, quite a lot of the songs Metallica will play aren't condusive to moshing anyway.

Oh, and Nothing else matters will be a beautiful moment.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Yet I will be very intolerant of people thinking "metal rules apply okay" and start acting the prick.

Sounds like you're trying to set your own rules there, mate. Fair enough if you have a kid and a wife/girlfriend with you and you don't want them to get hurt but then a responsible person would avoid a potentially hazardous situation anyway, and hazards are more likely to exist at a metal gig (even at Glastonbury) so you might want to stand back.

[russycarps]

aggressive behaviour breeds aggressive behaviour. You metallers might have your code of conduct amongst each other, but I didnt have the first clue about it until I read this forum. Thousands of glastonbury goers wont be aware of it either.

You start pushing the wrong people and things could kick off. There are some nasty types at glastonbury.

This is not a metal crowd, it's glastonbury pop festival. Save that nonsense for when you are with like minded people.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

I don't think I've ever bled from the crowd at a gig, I got punched in the head at a Muse show once...

The thing is, more often than not if you get hurt in a gig it's because you put yourself in harm's way. Sometimes not. I think If you sense an atmosphere that feels uncomfortable, get out of it. I've done that a handful of times at gigs - Mumford & Sons, of all fucking bands, was actually one of them at Leeds in 2010 when people rushed in from outside the tent and decided to chuck bottles at everybody. Shit audience.

Slayer, on the other hand, I knew was going to be violent each of the 4 times I've seen them, and I never left one of their shows without a bruise but that was down to my own stupidity of getting involved in mosh pits that lasted the entire gig. I remember seeing them once whenever I was younger getting involved in a circle pit that didn't actually seem to relent, even between songs. I don't think I could walk after that gig purely because I'd been running for an hour and a half before I left, but even as I left, I probably had a smile on my face. Could have been covered in blood for all I know, maybe even somebody elses, but I never left a Metal gig unhappy.

[CHRLY]

Had no idea there were 'rules' i had to obey. I'll watch Metallica and I'll want to have a bit of a jump around and have fun.

[Tdiz]

If people do not want to join in the crush at the front then they should stay towards the back. Same with any show with fast loud music be it metal or not people at the front will push about and want to have a dance and jump about.

Cant see it being much diffrent from other bands that have previously been on the pyramid stage.

[russycarps]

Had no idea there were 'rules' i had to obey. I'll watch Metallica and I'll want to have a bit of a jump around and have fun.

my understanding is it is fine to punch someone to the ground, so long as you pick them up again.

Ace.

[TomWales]

To be honest, a combination of it being Glastonbury and Metallica not being that heavy a band in the grand scheme of things means that the crowd is unlikely to be that lively anyway.

I think most of the way people conduct themselves in mosh pits is common sense, look after each other, pick someone up if they fall down, don't think it's cool to throw punches or elbows that could actually hurt people, don't get angry if someone bumps in to you; you know the score. It's mainly just people jumping about/in to each other, it's obviously a bit physical but people aren't purposely looking to harm each other unless they're idiots.

Edit: Russy, it's never cool to throw punches in pits and 99% of people don't.

Edited May 9, 2014 by TomWales

[russycarps]

If people do not want to join in the crush at the front then they should stay towards the back. Same with any show with fast loud music be it metal or not people at the front will push about and want to have a dance and jump about.

Cant see it being much diffrent from other bands that have previously been on the pyramid stage.

I was right down the front for stevie wonder and had a terrific dance with all the people around me.

None of us felt the need to punch anyone to the ground though

[Dave The Hedgehog]

aggressive behaviour breeds aggressive behaviour. You metallers might have your code of conduct amongst each other, but I didnt have the first clue about it until I read this forum. Thousands of glastonbury goers wont be aware of it either.

You start pushing the wrong people and things could kick off. There are some nasty types at glastonbury.

This is not a metal crowd, it's glastonbury pop festival. Save that nonsense for when you are with like minded people.

Fair enough, I've taken your warning. I won't follow it, however, but then that's my risk, just as it's anybody's risk if they decide they wish to stay if a mosh pit develops.

[Superunknown]

There aren't rules that coerce you to obey, just be aware if you're near the front and you're wondering why people are running in a circle or jumping into each other. No big deal.

[Perks]

my understanding is it is fine to punch someone to the ground, so long as you pick them up again.

Ace.

'Sigh' how are we back on this topic again?

[FloorFiller]

'Sigh' how are we back on this topic again?

these threads go in circles. can't go 30 pages without the previous 30 pages being repeated

[Dave The Hedgehog]

my understanding is it is fine to punch someone to the ground, so long as you pick them up again.

Ace.

People in mosh pits don't punch each other. As I say, you'll often find that it's those who are ignorant or unfamiliar that get involved in them that are often the most dangerous. There are rules involved in mosh pits and it's for the safety of all of those who decide to get involved in them. If you don't, you'll likely get hurt, and that is nobody's fault but your own.

[LondonTom]

I take it everyone is told to keep calm and don't do no shoving when ever the Prodigy play Glastonbury right?

[russycarps]

People in mosh pits don't punch each other. As I say, you'll often find that it's those who are ignorant or unfamiliar that get involved in them that are often the most dangerous. There are rules involved in mosh pits and it's for the safety of all of those who decide to get involved in them. If you don't, you'll likely get hurt, and that is nobody's fault but your own.

But thats the problem, there will be loads of people ignorant or unfamiliar with the rules. A lot of people will see being pushed and shoved as aggressive and retaliate. Resulting in punch ups at glastonbury. The most depressing thing I can imagine.

You really want to create a metallers v the rest atmosphere?

edit: actually no need to reply to that last question, it seems you arent bothered if you do, so long as you enjoy yourself.

Edited May 9, 2014 by russycarps