WWE

[metallimuse]

Sting Austin would be money!Don't see what the angle would be but I'd watch.I was always a WWF man though so as much as I like Sting I'm not sure if I would regard it as a motivating factor in paying for Wrestlemania personally.

[The Nal]

Surprise on RAW!

Awful show apart from that and how over Ambrose is getting.

[metallimuse]

Finally...

[lharris92]

roman truly learnt from his cousin how to do interviews on raw.

and the pathetic pop he got makes me wonder is his momentum going to stall after that segment.

crowd were taking no shit during that show either... majority of it was terrible.

damien mizdow is quality though

[Andre91]

Last night was without a doubt the biggest surprise since Brock ended the streak, I was as excited as a little kid on Christmas. But I won't ruin it by talking about it anymore

Ziggler is crazy over, the crowd absolutely adore him. It was nice to see the whole arena doing the YES chant with Brie, helps keep DB relevant whilst he is recovering. Ambrose is the hottest wrestler in the WWE right now bar none, him facing off with Rollins inside HIAC needs to close that PPV. I also agree that I can't see Reigns' already waning popularity keeping up whilst he is away, especially with how the crowd have made Ambrose their clear #1 guy.

[The Nal]

Ziggler is crazy over, the crowd absolutely adore him.

Hes a bit of an arrogant dick apparently. The locker room don't like him really and either do the bookers. I'd be surprised if he went much further than IC champ. Foley said something recently about him saying something cheap about Cena. Not a good move.

So, theres basically no WWE champ these days. No Lesnar and not even Heyman on TV!!

[Andre91]

Hes a bit of an arrogant dick apparently. The locker room don't like him really and either do the bookers. I'd be surprised if he went much further than IC champ. Foley said something recently about him saying something cheap about Cena. Not a good move.

So, theres basically no WWE champ these days. No Lesnar and not even Heyman on TV!!

I've read things about him being a bit of a big head backstage, his whole "You wish you could pull this off" things seems like it might not be just a joke but he is a tremendous worker so I could understand his frustration.

And yeah, it's a very poor show. As much as I like Brock, it was never going to be a good decision putting the company's top prize on him with his schedule. At this moment I can't see any way that he is holding onto that title until Wrestlemania like the dirt sheets have been reporting. It just can't work.

[metallimuse]

Hmm...all this talk about Ziggler...really reminds me of someone.A big headed fantastic worker who keeps challenging the locker room to "top that"...

[Andre91]

Ziggler has been compared to Michaels for years now. The only difference is that Vince had a massive hard-on for HBK and doesn't for Ziggler. If this was 1994 then Ziggler would get a huge push, I'm certain of it. That arrogant behavior worked for Michaels, who was a straight up asshole.

[When Jokers Attack]

HBK got big push when the roster was very weak, Savage, Hogan, Lugar, Flair, Perfect, Warrior had all left and the Bret was carrying the company. HBK would have got his push regardless but the lack of stars really helped him. Also Diesel and Razor.

I feel Ziggler will never get out of the mid card, He has people like Ambrose, Rolins, Reigns who have came in and already overtaken him.

Edited October 7, 2014 by When Jokers Attack

[metallimuse]

I think it depends on who he gets to work with,I know Vince isn't keen on him but I think with the talent in NXT set to come up if he gets to work with them then it could help to push him up.

[lharris92]

wyatt may be aligning with ascension from nxt is a rumour i've heard since he "let rowan and harper go"

will be good as they are beast in nxt

[A-Rob]

Ziggler is nowhere near HBK especially in regards of charisma, work ethic and in ring performance.

In my eyes Ziggler resembles more Bad Ass Billy Gunn (era 98-99), he could make a decent upper mid card but not a main event player who can carry the company.

[jump]

IMO Ziggler should get a push only because there's not much else to promote. Lesnar, Undertaker, Rock are part timers, people are bored of Kane, Orton, Cena and even the "upcoming" ones like Bryan & the ex-Sheild lot aren't much compared to the WWE's midcard 10/15 years ago.

[The Nal]

I like Ambrose. Seems a bit loose. The only one who isn't working 100% off the script they have these days. Or thats the perception anyway.

The Wyatt character is dead already. After only a few months. Sad. Same stuff every week and he hasn't had a chance to advance his character himself. Which is WWE's big problem. Any of the great characters were given freedom to do so. Wyatt is no different to Cactus Jack, Hillbilly Jim or the Godwins really. Seen it all before.

Ambrose has progressed so may have some freedom. Started from doing a pretty bad Ledger/Joker impression.

Ziggler is a great athlete but I don't think I've seen a great match from him? Just a few nice spots. He'l never be anything other than a good worker on the mid card.

[luckysalt]

HBK got big push when the roster was very weak, Savage, Hogan, Lugar, Flair, Perfect, Warrior had all left and the Bret was carrying the company. HBK would have got his push regardless but the lack of stars really helped him. Also Diesel and Razor.

I feel Ziggler will never get out of the mid card, He has people like Ambrose, Rolins, Reigns who have came in and already overtaken him.

Hmmm I disagree. HBK was being pushed before Luger had even walked through WWF's doors, Michales and Tatanka were the two young guys from midcard Vince wanted to push hard. Only problem is a guy like Tatanka, with his gimmick would never be world champ in the 90's, other than that holding him back he could have gone far, especially when he went heel.

Back to Michales, don't forget he main evented Survivor Series in 1992 challenging Bret for the World Title, this PPV had Flair, Savage, Perfect.

HBK got pushed back down to midcard plenty however though, don't forget he went back down to holding the IC title after he had been World champ. Weird how much that happened in WCW [Flair and Sting to name two] but not in WWE, he is the only person in the 90's I remember doing that in WWE whereas now it happens much more.

Ziggler, Cesaro, Reigns, Rollins & Ambrose should be the 5 guys at the top for the next 10 years. But I worry about the first two.

If WCW was around still I reckon they would have both jumped by now. That sadly is the problem with no WCW, WWE don't seem that fussed about establishing talent as a top draw now because TNA has such a small roster and not much main event talent themselves, Angle, Hardy and Roode aside im not sure anyone else would be main event in WWE, Lashley nope, MVP no chance, Bully should be but he wouldn't be, EY, you're having a laugh.

[lharris92]

The Wyatt character is dead already. After only a few months. Sad. Same stuff every week and he hasn't had a chance to advance his character himself. Which is WWE's big problem. Any of the great characters were given freedom to do so. Wyatt is no different to Cactus Jack, Hillbilly Jim or the Godwins really. Seen it all before.

the problem with why the Wyatts lost momentum was how creative decided to put over cena to make him look strong before the lesnar rematch. completely killed their momentum and haven't seen them much since.

I'm going to miss those vignettes though, top quality work put into them

[When Jokers Attack]

Hmmm I disagree. HBK was being pushed before Luger had even walked through WWF's doors, Michales and Tatanka were the two young guys from midcard Vince wanted to push hard. Only problem is a guy like Tatanka, with his gimmick would never be world champ in the 90's, other than that holding him back he could have gone far, especially when he went heel.

Back to Michales, don't forget he main evented Survivor Series in 1992 challenging Bret for the World Title, this PPV had Flair, Savage, Perfect.

HBK got pushed back down to midcard plenty however though, don't forget he went back down to holding the IC title after he had been World champ. Weird how much that happened in WCW [Flair and Sting to name two] but not in WWE, he is the only person in the 90's I remember doing that in WWE whereas now it happens much more.

Survivor Series 92 was a one off though. I'm maybe wrong here but I don't think he main evented a PPV again until Mania 12 when he won the strap. I know he was in the title match against Diesel at Mania 11 (and lost) which in a way was the real event and won the Rumble that year but I'd argue his big push came after returning from the head injury storyline going into '96. That was when he became the guy. He was always going to be a star but late 95 is when they finally decided to pull the trigger and push him to moon and make him the face of the company.

I don't recall him winning the IC title after winning the world title?

As for the Wyatt Family

Harper and Rowan - They had a good program from The Usos and even though they lost they could have still been saved but they jobbed them out to Henry and Big Show for weeks after.

No idea where the Bray Wyatt character goes from here, think he needs to reinvent himself as the damage has been done. The Cena feud was supposed to elevate him but it's done the complete opposite. The squash he received from Cena the night after Summerslam was the final nail in the coffin.

I don't like the rumoured idea of bringing The Ascension in with him, I'd like to see them come in and dominate the division and get over themselves.

Edited October 8, 2014 by When Jokers Attack

[Andre91]

Wyatt was the most interesting and captivating character they had had in years, a lot of ex-WWE stars have even said since The Undertaker debuted. I can't see where he is going from here. Imagine how different things could have been if he had beaten Cena at WM like he SHOULD have.

[When Jokers Attack]

He could have been world champion by now.

[luckysalt]

Survivor Series 92 was a one off though. I'm maybe wrong here but I don't think he main evented a PPV again until Mania 12 when he won the strap. I know he was in the title match against Diesel at Mania 11 (and lost) which in a way was the real event and won the Rumble that year but I'd argue his big push came after returning from the head injury storyline going into '96. That was when he became the guy. He was always going to be a star but late 95 is when they finally decided to pull the trigger and push him to moon and make him the face of the company.

I don't recall him winning the IC title after winning the world title?

As for the Wyatt Family

Harper and Rowan - They had a good program from The Usos and even though they lost they could have still been saved but they jobbed them out to Henry and Big Show for weeks after.

No idea where the Bray Wyatt character goes from here, think he needs to reinvent himself as the damage has been done. The Cena feud was supposed to elevate him but it's done the complete opposite. The squash he received from Cena the night after Summerslam was the final nail in the coffin.

I don't like the rumoured idea of bringing The Ascension in with him, I'd like to see them come in and dominate the division and get over themselves.

My mistake on HBK, he won the IC title in 92, start of 93 and then not again until end of July 95. It was the Tag Title with Austin I was getting confused with.

I thought he had already held the big one by then but obviously he lost that title match at Mania and didn't win it until the following year.

When you think about it they really fucked up with HBK, he came in, in the late 80's tag'd for a couple of years, went solo in start of 92, won the IC title end of that year and again start of 93, then he just drifted for years not holding any titles. They really should have pushed HBK and not Diesel, we had a whole year of Diesel and Razor fighting over the IC title with HBK as Diesel's sidekick, then Diesel got the title push and held it a whole year. Until he dropped it back to Bret.

When you look back HBK had like 4 years in WWF in his prime when he really did nothing. Wasted. Then held the big one 3 times in 2 years then retired for a few years due to injury and when he came back he had one short World title run.

I know he says he's never been about the titles but he really should have more of a decorated title history, when you look at Cena with a million world titles its a shame.

[Andre91]

It always surprised me that he never held the world title more than once after he came back. I watched Survivor Series in 2002 and was over the moon when he won the Elimination Chamber. I'm not sure if it was his choice or not, but he should have had a couple more WWE Title runs before he retired.

[metallimuse]

He just didn't need it though.Him and Undertaker were so over it didn't matter for them and they constantly went out and stole the show on their brands and PPV.

Reading that Lesnar is generally not expected back until Royal Rumble time.I don't like the fact the title is out of the picture for that long.

Apparently there could be a Triple H Rock match at Wrestlemania 31 and Rusev could be in line to face Cena there as well.

[The Nal]

What about the 30 day (ish) rule?! They're bending that too now for him?

Anyway we all know what needs to happen here. Build up a new safe face (Reigns) to take over the Cena corporate/army/charity liaison role, and then turn Cena heel. Unlike the Austin heel turn, people actually do want to hate Cena.

Have the current WWE booking team not seen Bash at the Beach 96? And the ratings for the following few years?!

P.S. Austin isn't coming back. The comeback was a comeback to Golds Gym, not WWE.

Edited October 9, 2014 by The Nal

[jump]

What about the 30 day (ish) rule?! They're bending that too now for him?

Anyway we all know what needs to happen here. Build up a new safe face (Reigns) to take over the Cena corporate/army/charity liaison role, and then turn Cena heel. Unlike the Austin heel turn, people actually do want to hate Cena.

Have the current WWE booking team not seen Bash at the Beach 96? And the ratings for the following few years?!

P.S. Austin isn't coming back. The comeback was a comeback to Golds Gym, not WWE.

That would only work if Cena was as intresting as Hogan tho but do it anyway, I'm so bored of seeing the same shtick from him.