WWE

[luckysalt]

Benoit is on the network

[DomDom1984]

Aye, that was a weird complaint. Nothing is missing from him.

[jump]

everytime i do a search of "benoit" it brings up an old ecw match and nothing else.

[DomDom1984]

If you go to the PPVs, you can see his matches from there.

[luckysalt]

Just watching the network and the Nitro the day after Hogan turned and joined nWo and jesus they did a real bad job of putting it over, Hogan wasn't even on the show! And Hall and Nash turned up at the end of the show and did a awful promo.

They later said Hogan was off filming a movie instead and would be here next week.

Their biggest storyline ever and they nearly messed it up right from the off.

Also Flair's character at this time was really bad, just made him look a goof.

Honestly TNA today is far better than this WCW product which grew huge, just goes to show its all about lightning in a bottle.

[jump]

Meh, TNA still looks like WWE wasteland.

[GodlikeYeezus]

Just watching the network and the Nitro the day after Hogan turned and joined nWo and jesus they did a real bad job of putting it over, Hogan wasn't even on the show! And Hall and Nash turned up at the end of the show and did a awful promo.

They later said Hogan was off filming a movie instead and would be here next week.

Their biggest storyline ever and they nearly messed it up right from the off.

Also Flair's character at this time was really bad, just made him look a goof.

Honestly TNA today is far better than this WCW product which grew huge, just goes to show its all about lightning in a bottle.

Yeah but your forgetting when WCW came about the competition was the Gobbeldy Gooker ahahhaha

[The Nal]

Just watching the network and the Nitro the day after Hogan turned and joined nWo and jesus they did a real bad job of putting it over, Hogan wasn't even on the show! And Hall and Nash turned up at the end of the show and did a awful promo.

They later said Hogan was off filming a movie instead and would be here next week.

Their biggest storyline ever and they nearly messed it up right from the off.

Also Flair's character at this time was really bad, just made him look a goof.

Honestly TNA today is far better than this WCW product which grew huge, just goes to show its all about lightning in a bottle.

WCW was always hit and miss and the NWO angle had a few good months. Only in spots. That was it. It got stale very quickly but the influence remained.

Flair was way over the hill (apparently) by 96. Serious issues with Bishoff, booked along with the Horsemen and Savage to make the NWO look more relevant (ie Flair/Savage/Horsemen looking shit and old) and he had a few injuries too.

Nitro regularly ran over and went off the air before the conclusion of the actual show a lot which was annoying. So the show was basically 10 minutes of an opening segment (seemingly off the cuff), one good cruiserweight match and the NWO beating someone up or someone jumping ship.

Oh and Goldberg when he was good for about 90 seconds of every show. And even that got stale.

Two main things for me which killed WCW. And they aren't the "fingerpoke of doom" and "not building new stars". All the top guys drank a lot backstage at Nitro and more specifically not booking Hogan vs Goldberg over a few months building to a PPV. Which was at a crucial time in mid 1998.

[pink_triangle]

I am watching all the wcw and wwe ppvs in chronological order at present and am currently on 1999 and this is the year where the gulf in quality between the two products has become clear. In 1996-1998 wcw ppv main events were generally rubbish, but with decent builds. IN 1999 they are 10 minute stinkfests with rubbish builds. There is a focus on the likes of nash,piper, flair, savage, sid etc who are all well past their prime. You are lucky to get one good match on ppvs and many matches look like they have been pulled from an episode of thunder. There are constant screwy finishes and face/heel turns which completely dampens the effect when they do happen. I have recently been put through the monstorsities of rick steiner beating sting with interference from dogs and a junkyard battle royal where you cant see a thing.

At the same time all WWE main events are hot 20 minute + matches with perfomrers int heir prime. The video packages are also noticeably different. WWE are incredibly slick while wcw look like they have been made by high school students.

[DomDom1984]

WCW got pretty shit pretty fast. It was about mid 1997 that things took a turn and they went down hill fairly gradually after that.

[When Jokers Attack]

I'm currently doing WCW in order, well started from the first Nitro. Not rushing it, just a couple of episodes a week.

[metallimuse]

Reading reports now that Vince is scared and wants to include Bryan in the Wrestlemania main event as a triple threat.

[DomDom1984]

Wouldn't say it's scared. He'll be thinking of the crowd reaction, and so will want to include someone in there that allows at least a more natural dynamic with the guys in the ring and in the crowd. I'm still pretty sure we're getting the same result.

[DomDom1984]

Oh, for fans of Scottish wrestling, Drew McDonald has passed away. Legend up here for a long time. RIP

EDIT: This may not be the case. Conflicting reports.

Edited February 9, 2015 by DomDom1984

[pink_triangle]

WCW got pretty shit pretty fast. It was about mid 1997 that things took a turn and they went down hill fairly gradually after that.

I would say late 97, but would generally agree with you. There was a lot of good things in 97/98. DDP was very over and should have been given the title before his character ran out of steam, Goldberg was very over despite his faults. The undercard eg Jericho, benoit, Guerro etc were always entertaining. I also enjoyed Hogan as a heel and felt he was willing to play that cowardly character that Hall and Nash felt they were too cool to do. As I said 1999 the drop off went from gradual to huge. I think bash at the beach 99 is one of the worst ppvs I have ever seen.

Reading reports now that Vince is scared and wants to include Bryan in the Wrestlemania main event as a triple threat.

I hope not, are we going to get to the stage when Daniel Bryan has to main event every ppv because his fans throw a strop whenever he doesn't. I think people should relax and enjoy the show whether he is int he first or last match. If him not main eventing offends people so much they should sell (there will be no shortage of takers) their tickets or not purchase the ppv.

[DomDom1984]

Drew McDonald's death has been confirmed.

[luckysalt]

WCW was always hit and miss and the NWO angle had a few good months. Only in spots. That was it. It got stale very quickly but the influence remained.

Flair was way over the hill (apparently) by 96. Serious issues with Bishoff, booked along with the Horsemen and Savage to make the NWO look more relevant (ie Flair/Savage/Horsemen looking shit and old) and he had a few injuries too.

Nitro regularly ran over and went off the air before the conclusion of the actual show a lot which was annoying. So the show was basically 10 minutes of an opening segment (seemingly off the cuff), one good cruiserweight match and the NWO beating someone up or someone jumping ship.

Oh and Goldberg when he was good for about 90 seconds of every show. And even that got stale.

Two main things for me which killed WCW. And they aren't the "fingerpoke of doom" and "not building new stars". All the top guys drank a lot backstage at Nitro and more specifically not booking Hogan vs Goldberg over a few months building to a PPV. Which was at a crucial time in mid 1998.

I used to watch WCW Nitro regularly, but I never saw the first year of Nitros cus I don't think they showed them in the UK and eventually when they started showing them on TNT UK they were edited down to 1 hour. Often missing off the main event, however my friend had Sky which showed Nitro in full on a foreign channel, eventually they did show the full Nitros.

Regarding the Hogan - Goldberg rematch, its interesting that Hogan claims responsibility for the match happening in the first place, says he made the call the day before Thunder and said it would get them the ratings back, it worked for one week, but then they didn't know where to go.

They completely had NO IDEA how to book Goldberg as champion apart from a couple of good Nitros, PPV billing as champion was awful. Hogan did the celebrity tag matches instead, probably cus they paid well and then did the whole running for president thing. Too many people in WCW had creative control and all wanted to look strong rather than what was right for the product.

I am watching all the wcw and wwe ppvs in chronological order at present and am currently on 1999 and this is the year where the gulf in quality between the two products has become clear. In 1996-1998 wcw ppv main events were generally rubbish, but with decent builds. IN 1999 they are 10 minute stinkfests with rubbish builds. There is a focus on the likes of nash,piper, flair, savage, sid etc who are all well past their prime. You are lucky to get one good match on ppvs and many matches look like they have been pulled from an episode of thunder. There are constant screwy finishes and face/heel turns which completely dampens the effect when they do happen. I have recently been put through the monstorsities of rick steiner beating sting with interference from dogs and a junkyard battle royal where you cant see a thing.

At the same time all WWE main events are hot 20 minute + matches with perfomrers int heir prime. The video packages are also noticeably different. WWE are incredibly slick while wcw look like they have been made by high school students.

You know what happened.

Vince Russo.

[DomDom1984]

On Daniel Bryan main eventing because of the fans, if it wasn't Roman Reigns, I'm not sure how different it'd be. Last year it was because it was for a semi-fit part timer Batista who barely looked interested. This year, it's a guy who can't talk and who the casual fans can barely seem to bring themselves to care about anymore. I can bet if someone like Ambrose, Rollins or Wyatt was getting the push, the fans would get behind it. Guys who carry themselves and can come across as stars. Something Reigns just doesn't seem prepared for at the moment.

The difference when it was Cena being forced is that he had a big fanbase won over from his 2004 push and that subsequently kept him going from then until now. He was also pretty good on the mic, and was coming off the back of some really good matches, before he eventually took the big prize.

Roman Reigns can't talk, is a fairly dull wrestler, and generally doesn't have much going for him, other than look. If they want to get the fans behind someone, and make it someone new, there's guys there ready for it. Just grow a set and look for the right option instead of the most muscle bound one.

[pink_triangle]

You know what happened.

Vince Russo.

No, he doesn't get there untill October. The product was screwed before then

[The Nal]

I used to watch WCW Nitro regularly, but I never saw the first year of Nitros cus I don't think they showed them in the UK and eventually when they started showing them on TNT UK they were edited down to 1 hour. Often missing off the main event, however my friend had Sky which showed Nitro in full on a foreign channel, eventually they did show the full Nitros.

Yeah same here. A mate had a weird satellite dish with TNT. Both Raw and Nitro were on Fridays.

And Russo yeah. Amazing that he was the head writer for WWF when they started to beat WCW and then he went to WCW and buried it.

Speaking of Russo, interesting stuff here.

Edited February 10, 2015 by The Nal

[pink_triangle]

[quote name="The Nal" post="4553823" timestamp="1423560757

And Russo yeah. Amazing that he was the head writer for WWF when they started to beat WCW and then he went to WCW and buried it.

[The Nal]

Disagree, as I said I'm watching wcw ppvs and the significant downturn had started way before he got there.

Yep was pretty much dead before he got there but he really buried it. Some of those storylines...... just shit.

[jump]

On Daniel Bryan main eventing because of the fans, if it wasn't Roman Reigns, I'm not sure how different it'd be. Last year it was because it was for a semi-fit part timer Batista who barely looked interested. This year, it's a guy who can't talk and who the casual fans can barely seem to bring themselves to care about anymore. I can bet if someone like Ambrose, Rollins or Wyatt was getting the push, the fans would get behind it. Guys who carry themselves and can come across as stars. Something Reigns just doesn't seem prepared for at the moment.

The difference when it was Cena being forced is that he had a big fanbase won over from his 2004 push and that subsequently kept him going from then until now. He was also pretty good on the mic, and was coming off the back of some really good matches, before he eventually took the big prize.

Roman Reigns can't talk, is a fairly dull wrestler, and generally doesn't have much going for him, other than look. If they want to get the fans behind someone, and make it someone new, there's guys there ready for it. Just grow a set and look for the right option instead of the most muscle bound one.

Yeah, I see it as the same thing. It's more to do with not wanting Reigns forced on them than it is they want Bryan especially when so many other wrestlers had more heat going into the Rumble.

I'd like to see a triple threat but with Rollins rather than Bryan, a Reigns/Lesnar match will need a good worker for them to make it intresting.

[luckysalt]

Just saw Rikishi's HOF video.

WTF.

1 minute of stinkfaces

30 seconds on the Uso's

a quick mention he held the IC and Tag Titles and thats it.

Where's the mention of the Headshrinkers which he was in a tag team in for YEARS in both WWE and WCW and Multiple time tag champion. Headshrinkers had some AMAZING matches.

Wheres his solo career past Headshrinkers where he wrestled as Fatu and then The Sultan?

Fucking WWE, Yeah he's in the HOF for his ass and his sperm.

[GodlikeYeezus]

You do all know that Reigns is gonna go over to big at mania and when Rollins cashes in he will become the biggest babyface