Neil Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, MichaelsBeard said: It’s more of a madness economically than Brexit was yet that’s Indy supporters main argument we should leave the UK now leaving the uk is the same madness but racked up a level: Scotland has bigger trade with UK than UK did with EU. and there'll be borders for people too, with the snp plans to have its own immigration regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelsBeard Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, LJS said: Yeah, it would be totally crazy to give up on the sure steady & reliable governments we have had from Westminster for the past 10 years. That’s not an argument in fairness. Doesn’t mean viable concerns should be ignored. If it came down to politics alone I’d vote for Indy but there is absolutely no doubt we’d be economically worse off as it is at the minute. We need a viable plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, MichaelsBeard said: That’s not an argument in fairness. Doesn’t mean viable concerns should be ignored. If it came down to politics alone I’d vote for Indy but there is absolutely no doubt we’d be economically worse off as it is at the minute. We need a viable plan. I don't trust anyone anyone who has "absolutely no doubt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelsBeard Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, LJS said: I don't trust anyone anyone who has "absolutely no doubt" I’m basing that on the figures that the SNP themselves produce due to GERS. It’s unequivocally true that indy Scotland, at the very least, enters the new dawn in a worse position financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 10 hours ago, MichaelsBeard said: We need a viable plan. and people with the mindset tgo critique it, which there wasn't in 2014 when indy supporters swallowed salmond's lies whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 9 hours ago, MichaelsBeard said: I’m basing that on the figures that the SNP themselves produce due to GERS. It’s unequivocally true that indy Scotland, at the very least, enters the new dawn in a worse position financially. there's much more than is covered in GERS cos there's big costs in EU entry criteria compliance. establishing a central bank and a currency, and dealing with the deficit to the eu's satisfaction. (bigger cuts than tory cuts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 sturgeon has noticed the copenhagen criteria: Quote She implied that could involve spending cuts, tax rises or extra borrowing to fund public services, in order to meet the EU’s fiscal sustainability policies. from https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/17/independence-will-rid-scotland-of-uk-economic-chaos-says-nicola-sturgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 from the same article Quote “So interest rates will be extremely high, and obviously an independent Scotland would not be able to pay these interest rates unless it was to adopt massive austerity policies,” he said on a podcast for Gordon Brown’s thinktank, Our Scottish Future. theres the elephant in the room that snippers pretend doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 my fav place for a bit of hard headed an analysis is chokkablog https://chokkablog.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, OverlyComplicated said: "You can pick your reason for getting off this mad, mad bus. It could be because you think a government should have some form of lender of last resort to save it in a crisis. It could be because you’re not keen on austerity. It could even be that you’re not keen on not being told how much austerity is proposed. It might might be because you realise they have no economic plan for Scotland. It could be because you believe climate change is real and that we need to invest more than one per cent of GDP in it over the next decade. It might be because they’ve failed to come up with any answers for trade or borders. Or it could be because the whole thing is utter pish. Pick your reason, but for god sake get off this mad, mad bus." http://robinmcalpine.org/this-paper-answers-nothing-this-government-has-no-answers/ Quote but who is the Scottish Government’s lender of last resort? same as it is for any sovereign state, "the people". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 Quote the SNP now seems to hint that it won’t borrow to cover the deficit but set deficit rules. deficit rules will be required by the EU for its stability pact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Neil said: from the same article theres the elephant in the room that snippers pretend doesn't exist. From Prof Ronald MacDonald who is about as open minded on Indy as you are. 6 minutes ago, Neil said: my fav place for a bit of hard headed Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 6 minutes ago, Neil said: an anal Yup 6 minutes ago, Neil said: ysis is chokkablog https://chokkablog.blogspot.com/ The king of the Union spreadsheets. Ha ha ha ha ha 😉 Edited October 18, 2022 by LJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 Quote Scotland is going to get through the first ten years of independence by borrowing only £5 billion. scotland will be lucky/doing well if it can get thru the first year of indy with borrowing of only £5bn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, LJS said: From Prof Ronald MacDonald who is about as open minded on Indy as you are. because you're mr open-minded about indy, you called the snp out for the bollocks of their 2014 white paper, and didn't mindlessly suck it up. 4 minutes ago, LJS said: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Yup 4 minutes ago, LJS said: The king of the Union spreadsheets. Ha ha ha ha ha 😉 somone more able to call out bullshit than anyone on the nats side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 oh dear its all gone pete tong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Neil said: oh dear its all gone pete tong. I don't think there was any realistic expectation (amongst sensible people) that the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom would come to any other conclusion. However, there were those who thought otherwise & the notion that we could have a referendum without the permission of whichever Tory Zealot has been foisted upon us by the English population, needed put to bed. It is now absolutely crystal clear that the English Tory government has no respect for democracy at all and the battle lines are now firmly drawn for the next General Election. It is absolutely preposterous that we find ourselves in this situation but it is entirely due to the obstinance of the Tory party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, LJS said: It is now absolutely crystal clear that the English Tory government has no respect for democracy at all you mean like the scottish tory govt with their one policy of always a referendum, cos the last result doesn't count. 4 minutes ago, LJS said: and the battle lines are now firmly drawn for the next General Election. where sturgeon will be blowing hot air as today's judgement made clear. 4 minutes ago, LJS said: It is absolutely preposterous that we find ourselves in this situation but it is entirely due to the obstinance of the Tory party. entirely due to Scotland rejecting independence in 2014, and that vote not being respected, or the promises made around it, including "once in a generation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Neil said: the promises made around it, including "once in a generation". can't believe you are still peddling that pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, LJS said: can't believe you are still peddling that pish Do you remember the 2014 white paper that you said was fantastic and covered every angle. No you don't. There's no lie to big to be rejected by the snippets. Bet we'll see rapeyman back in charge soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Neil said: Bet we'll see rapeyman back in charge soon. If you mean Salmond then you have literally 0 clue about Scottish politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said: If you mean Salmond then you have literally 0 clue about Scottish politics. Tell us something we don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, OverlyComplicated said: Personally I would be much happier if our first minister could spend her day negotiating with the teachers union to ensure my kids can go to school tomorrow than spending her time playing constitutional silly buggers but here we are, the SNP are only interested in solving Scotland's problems after independence rather than doing something right now. Although, I wouldn't necessarily agree with your "silly buggers" stuff, I would suggest if you want to get away from the debate about independence, you should work on persuading people to stop voting for it. As long as folk continue to vote for it, the "constitutional silly buggers" will keep on going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, Neil said: Do you remember the 2014 white paper Yes. 41 minutes ago, Neil said: that you said was fantastic and covered every angle. I did neither. 41 minutes ago, Neil said: No you don't. There's no lie to big to be rejected by the snippets. Bet we'll see rapeyman back in charge soon. You literally haven't a fucking clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Salmond who has a net favourability akin to Jimmy Saville and who's current party gets around 1 % of votes at a push and isn't even in the SNP is going to be next SNP leader🤣🤣 might be the worst take ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said: Salmond who has a net favourability akin to Jimmy Saville and who's current party gets around 1 % of votes at a push and isn't even in the SNP is going to be next SNP leader🤣🤣 might be the worst take ever At least everyone knows who rapeyman is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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