prove me wrong...please

[sifi]

In much the same way that Germany was rehabilitated and granted re-entry into the human race, are the TT lovers suggesting that their band have seen the error of their ways and be welcomed as musicians now?

[eFestivals]

I have interest in music.

I buy music.

I play music

I bought the new take that album.

did I say that everyone who bought the album has no interest in music? Nope.

I think that those that haven't bought the album(s) can't really say either way if they are good or bad, and if you're harping back to the time of their 'manufacture' 20+ years ago as a reason to why you think they are shite, then thats just being misinformed. If you've listened to the albums and still think they're shite - then fair enough - at least your are basing that on what you've just heard rather than what you read second hand.

yeah, they showed just how much they'd changed on Children In Needs few weeks back.

They played a new bland song and followed it with an old bland song. Anyone who thought those two songs with over 15 years between them showed they'd changed needs their ears tested.

[eFestivals]

No, that displays what I thought when I watched them last (Guilfest 2005, if you are interested).

I saw that too - yep, they were well off form that day. They did GuilFest again this year, and while I'm a long way from being a fan they were a thousands times better.

[cejx]

I'll have to buy the album and listen to it - Xmas is coming and I have a girlfriend. Is it any good, then? I quite liked "The Flood" (chorus anyway) but have never found any of their albums are as good as the singles.

[eFestivals]

Neil - you said the "vast majority" - so you are correct - not EVERYONE (I am wrong) - whilst you have all day to sit and think how to twist peoples postings on these forums, most of us have proper jobs where we can only dip in and out of postings and replies... hence the massively high error rate from the general 'postees'.

Yeah, I'm just sat here all day without anything else to do, thinking of how to twist the words of the next person who posts. FFS.

I simply stated a very obvious fact, as shown by the weekly sales of music. Sales only go sky-high as they have done with Take That recently when the vast majority of people who don't regularly buy music suddenly go and buy some.

If that makes you so uncomfortable about your own tastes - as it appears to have done by your words above - then that's something for you to deal with rather than trying to lump ridiculous ideas onto others as you have done here.

[cejx]

If that makes you so uncomfortable about your own tastes - as it appears to have done by your words above - then that's something for you to deal with rather than trying to lump ridiculous ideas onto others as you have done here.

[eFestivals]

eh? How on earth do you come to that wildly incorrect conclusion?!

Probably the same way that you've decided that I don't have a 'proper' job while you do. Yet only one of us has time within our job to spend posting un-job related things on websites .... and it ain't me.

You're clearly embarrassed by what I pointed out and how that reflects back on you - I can't see why else you'd have posted what you did. Get over yourself.

[cejx]

Probably the same way that you've decided that I don't have a 'proper' job while you do. Yet only one of us has time within our job to spend posting un-job related things on websites .... and it ain't me.

You're clearly embarrassed by what I pointed out and how that reflects back on you - I can't see why else you'd have posted what you did. Get over yourself.

[eFestivals]

I'm embarrassed now? Blimey! Yet another wildly incorrect conclusion! Brilliant, but I'll be honest, I've actually no idea what you're talking about!

You, like many others, seem to feel a huge need to defend TT, what with all your claims of them being different now to how they were - despite the new songs being nothing other than recycled old songs, as they so clearly demonstrated on Children In Need.

There has to be a reason why. Embarrassment for your tastes is by far the most obvious reason.

[sifi]

I don't know how many of their setlist are new songs, but a fair few of the numbers towards the end of the set seem to be familiar from the 90s era.

Whether or not this means they have changed, is of course, up for discussion.

[gazza_20]

You, like many others, seem to feel a huge need to defend TT, what with all your claims of them being different now to how they were - despite the new songs being nothing other than recycled old songs, as they so clearly demonstrated on Children In Need.

There has to be a reason why. Embarrassment for your tastes is by far the most obvious reason.

[jimmyt]

I'm going to put it out there that this time around a lot more guys shall we say like tae that than before cuz more girls was the case by a fair bit. By how successful their circus circus tour was and how successful this latest tour is, the pure amount of effort people went to buing a ticket, those who got one. I'm pretty sure that havig a liking for them isn't anywhere near embarrassment in music taste.

[sifi]

I find it very embarassing that I quite like them! But what I really mean is it's embarassing that I like about 4 of their songs (I'm not going to jump around to "It only takes a minute, girl" or get my chaps on for "Relight My Fire", obviously!!!) but that's because I'm a music snob and they don't fit my general tastes.

[gazza_20]

I find it very embarassing that I quite like them! But what I really mean is it's embarassing that I like about 4 of their songs (I'm not going to jump around to "It only takes a minute, girl" or get my chaps on for "Relight My Fire", obviously!!!) but that's because I'm a music snob and they don't fit my general tastes.

[psychology]

Well, I don't often get involved in this type of argument about who's good and who's not, but i've developed my own theory about this over the years. I think the argument suggesting that people who buy Take That or any "pop" music tend not to be great music lovers has some validity, and it's because in my opinion the music is easy and does not require a lot of effort to listen to. That is, it adheres to a certain structure which we are used to and comfortable with, although it can provoke an adverse reaction from some people for that exact same reason! I suppose an analogy would be airport fiction, easy to read, generally enjoyable but can leave you wondering why you bothered. I, probably like many others in this forum, gig regularly with a band and you can play the most musically interesting and challenging stuff but what will always get the audience singing and dancing, KOL, killers, and the worst 500 miles.

I've just read this through and realised it sounds like a load of crap, but I know that if TT do play, I'll be dragged along to them by my wife and will make the most of what it is.

Edited November 30, 2010 by psychology

[cejx]

You, like many others, seem to feel a huge need to defend TT, what with all your claims of them being different now to how they were - despite the new songs being nothing other than recycled old songs, as they so clearly demonstrated on Children In Need.

There has to be a reason why. Embarrassment for your tastes is by far the most obvious reason.

[airds]

I hope they dont play, can you imagine 7 more months of the above posts

....it would be like 2008 all over again

[eFestivals]

I didn't see C.I.N so no idea what they played - thus cannot comment. If you're saying they played new songs that sounded like old songs - then I guess that is TT's 'sound' - so the majority of their songs sound like pop music. You are reminding me of when I was a child and my mother would use the 'all this pop music sounds the same' line on me.

PMSL - it ain't that at all.

It's simply no different to what they were doing 15+ years ago. The claims of them having changed into something different are simply wrong.

[LondonTom]

I hope they dont play, can you imagine 7 more months of the above posts

....it would be like 2008 all over again

[strummer77]

PMSL - it ain't that at all.

It's simply no different to what they were doing 15+ years ago. The claims of them having changed into something different are simply wrong.

[eFestivals]

On another note... You got any idea of there's truth in the TT/Stones rumour?

I know for certain there was no truth in the TT rumour at the time it was going around (around the time that their tour was announced).

I doubt there'll be anything to it from anything that might happen since then and before next June, but I can't state that with any certainty - I know there's interest in doing Glasto from some of TT, so if they were offered a suitable slot it might happen.

[Red Day]

I don't think TT come close to justifying a slot on the most iconic stage at the greatest festival in the world.

They are a poor pop band making a fat load of cash out of a chance for middle aged women to have a pissed up day out.

Fine for a stadium near you but please keep the Pyramid for real music

[Bradders]

I note the word "tend" as I am sure there are are a lot of people, myself included, that although they would not even think about buying a Take That album do actually quite like the odd Take That song "they hear on the radio". Rule the World in my opinion is a really pleasant tune, and I dont think liking that means this makes me "not to have much of a knowledge of music, or a real interest in it past what I hear on the radio" along with my other musical tastes which includes, Peter Gabriel (including his time with Genesis), Pink Floyd, The Killers, Thin Lizzy, The Pigeon Detectives, The Enemy, The Sex Pistols, Amy Winehouse, Natt King Cole, Classical (especially Bach, Elgar and Debussy)all of which I have bought CD's and many more.

[Big Vern]

This continuing arguement that keeps rearing it's head on this forum is quite hilarious when you actually stop and take it in!

As I said before, those that chastise any type of music or music lover cannot call themselves true music lovers. A true music lover and arguably a true (historic) Glasto lover is open to all types of music and will live and let live and not feel the need to berate others because they like something different.

I LOVE music and have done for the past 30 years. I have 1000's of vinyl, cd's and mp3's in so many different genres I cannot pin myself down to any one type of musical style over another. If I like an artist, an album, a live act or even one song off one album, then I like it. That makes me no more of a music lover or expert than anybody on these forums or anybody else more of a music lover or expert than me. Radiohead, meh! I love No Surprises and Karma Police, but that's pretty much it for me, however I'm not going to come on here spouting how one dimensional they are and that anybody who likes them is a boring twat because I appreciate that Radiohead are very good at what they do and have mass appeal, they just don't overly appeal to me.

I am not particularly a Take That fan, but like a lot of artists and albums, I'll give it a try (because I am a music lover) and if I like it then great, if I don't then move on to the next one!

One man's view is different to another so who are any of us to say that another person's opinion or view is wrong or shit?

[Big Vern]

ps I think Wait and Kidz are good songs on the new TT album! Ooooh I must be a right shit c**t!

Edited November 30, 2010 by Big Vern