UK Politics

[Justiceforcedave]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I'm a bit confused. Is this Sunak showing us he's a man of the people because he paid all the taxes he was supposed to on his 2.2m income? 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Justiceforcedave said:

I'm a bit confused. Is this Sunak showing us he's a man of the people because he paid all the taxes he was supposed to on his 2.2m income? 

its just become a thing to disclose this, expect one from starmer soon. reckon rishi thinks starmer's will show a big income, which starmer can then be attacked on.

 

 

[cellar]

2 hours ago, Justiceforcedave said:

I'm a bit confused. Is this Sunak showing us he's a man of the people because he paid all the taxes he was supposed to on his 2.2m income? 

I think maybe what he's going for, but its actually just an indictment of the tax system in the UK - I'll sound like a broken record, but this is why CGT needs to be higher.

He's paid around 25% tax on his income sources, which is obviously a lot lower than the 45% rate he would be paying if all of the income was a salary.

[cellar]

Put another way, anyone with a salary of £60k or more has paid more of a proportion of their income as tax than the PM (assuming they are not also offsetting with ridiculous capital gains).

(It's possibly even as low as £50k, which I know is a big salary - but not as big as £2.2m).

[Ozanne]

Rod knows the score. 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Rod knows the score. 

He's our Taylor Swift 

[Neil]

28 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Rod knows the score. 

rory stewart's real name is Rod

[Neil]

all aboard the gravy train!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Edited February 9 by Neil

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

the farmers are revolting, they were told brexit would be good for them, now they know its sh*t for them.

 

 

[clarkete]

Apropos of nothing, the thread title reminded me of an eighties tune, although would never have fitted) guessed it was by them 

 

[Neil]

Did you see that a judge recently ruled that it was reasonable to call Tories "scum" when refering to Iian Duncan Smith.

Bad judgement - it's factually correct for all Tories not just one.

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Apropos of nothing, the thread title reminded me of an eighties tune, although would never have fitted) guessed it was by them 

 

Tune

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

there might be enough money to fund councils going forwards, without the £28Bn green spend.

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Neil said:

there might be enough money to fund councils going forwards, without the £28Bn green spend.

Well then...was there ever going to be a a 28bn green spend, or was it just a big number labour came up with in order to get a standing ovation at conference? And this 28bn was always extra borrowing, not instead of, and hate to repeat myself but it is/was part of an industrial strategy for growth.

In the end this shortfall for local government will have to come from somewhere which will likely mean higher taxes no matter what anyone says. It's going to take a long time and a lot of cash to fix the problems this country has.

Edited February 10 by steviewevie

[Ozanne]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well then...was there ever going to be a a 28bn green spend, or was it just a big number labour came up with in order to get a standing ovation at conference? And this 28bn was always extra borrowing, not instead of, and hate to repeat myself but it is/was part of an industrial strategy for growth.

In the end this shortfall for local government will have to come from somewhere which will likely mean higher taxes no matter what anyone says. It's going to take a long time and a lot of cash to fix the problems this country has.

How come you’ve made the Tory inflicted crises into a Labour issue?

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

How come you’ve made the Tory inflicted crises into a Labour issue?

Eh? It was Neil that brought up the 28bn thing.

[steviewevie]

It's the argument that now labour won't be borrowing 28bn they can sort out public services that is why the whole f**king conversation on this is all wrong. 

[Neil]

47 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well then...was there ever going to be a a 28bn green spend, or was it just a big number labour came up with in order to get a standing ovation at conference? And this 28bn was always extra borrowing, not instead of, and hate to repeat myself but it is/was part of an industrial strategy for growth.

In the end this shortfall for local government will have to come from somewhere which will likely mean higher taxes no matter what anyone says. It's going to take a long time and a lot of cash to fix the problems this country has.

its a number they stole from the last manifesto

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Eh? It was Neil that brought up the 28bn thing.

Yeah he did, fair enough. I just don’t know why after a Tory critical story it’s back to moaning about the £28b.

[steviewevie]

Public services have been starved of cash and a lot of stuff is at breaking point and will need more cash whoever wins. Tories cutting taxes for electoral/political reasons just makes it all worse.

At same time labour came up with this big 28bn spend pledge and ultimately that was a big f**king mistake they've now had to drop. But, borrowing extra to invest in a green industrial strategy should have nothing to do with other spending, to say otherwise falls for the usual Tory propaganda. 

This country is obsessed with cost, not with outcomes, as if spending on wind turbines means fewer hospital beds.

Everything needs more money, that is the reality. Taxes will probably have to go up, but Labour are likely saving that till after they're in power, because they can't be honest about the sh*t we are in... unless they keep things as they are and hope the economy miraculously starts growing...if they do that they might not be in power for long.

Edited February 10 by steviewevie

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

It's the argument that now labour won't be borrowing 28bn they can sort out public services that is why the whole f**king conversation on this is all wrong. 

what is wrong is the idea we can have it all, there's limited resources to spread around. if they're used for one thing they can't be used for something else! the expectation from labour will be high  and their political capital is best spent where people will feel a benefit.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Public services have been starved of cash and a lot of stuff is at breaking point and will need more cash whoever wins. Tories cutting taxes electoral/political reasons just makes it all worse.

At same time labour came up with this big 28bn spend pledge and ultimately that was a big f**king mistake they've now had to drop. But, borrowing extra to invest in a green industrial strategy should have nothing to do with other spending, to say otherwise falls into the Tory propaganda. 

This country is obsessed with cost, not with outcomes. As if spending on wind turbines means fewer hospital beds.

Everything needs more money, that is the reality. Taxes will probably have to go up, but Labour are likely saving that till after they're in power, because they can't be honest about the sh*t we are in. Unless they keep things as they are and hope the economy miraculously starts growing...if they do that they might not be in power for long.

or some spending cut back, like green spending.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

what is wrong is the idea we can have it all, there's limited resources to spread around. if they're used for one thing they can't be used for something else! the expectation from labour will be high  and their political capital is best spent where people will feel a benefit.

No one is expecting that, they just want to be able to see a doctor or not have to wait months for any treatment or for their kids to go to a school that isn't crumbling or to not feel unsafe because there are no coppers. Basic stuff. The net zero stuff is a necessary that won't help people right now but could help their kids or grandkids

 

Edited February 10 by steviewevie