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58 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Doesn't matter, they've crossed at least 5 red lines for me. They are evil, and I will call them evil. I'm not going vote for evil.

 

Labour are worse than Theresa May and Iain Duncan Smith on treatment of minorities. Immigrants, the disabled, queer people, all of these were treated better by the government 10 years ago, which introduced "go home" vans and got called out by Amnesty.

 

I don't care that the Overton window has shifted this much that this is what's expected, I will not stop calling out Labour for being straight up evil.

They got rid of Bibby Stockholm , they are getting rid of migrant hotels slowly which I only see as a good thing … I put them on a par but certainly not worse . Although those things started under Boris not May but the poor and slow processing occurred under successive Tory govts to make this the issue for some it seems like and gives Farage his platform 

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2 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

really massively conflicted over Labour Party they are clearly doing some good , but really struggling with some of the other shite they do .... demonising migrants etc and falling into reform playbook .... the above graph shows I think that they need to appeal more to the left as thats where the vote is going , Id do anything to stop reform though and realise that ill never feel like every policy suits me 


I’m not sure national share is the best way to look at it. It’s about the efficiency of the vote, no advantage of significantly increasing vote share in areas you hold and a small reduction in those that you don’t.

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Literally the guy who founded the labour party:

 

The first Independent Labour Party MP blamed immigrants for driving down wages of Scottish workers and he accused them of stealing and of failing to adhere to proper standards of hygiene.

In an article written for the journal The Miner in 1887, he criticised the owners of the local Glengarnock ironworks for using “Russian Poles”.

“What object they have in doing so is beyond human ken unless it is, as stated by a speaker at Irvine, to teach men how to live on garlic and oil, or introduce the Black Death, so as to get rid of the surplus labourers,” he said.

In a speech to a meeting of miners the same year, he said: “In former years if a slave escaped in America and crossed to Canada he was a free man, but here we have a batch of men sent from their homes into our midst for the purpose of bringing you down, if possible, to their level. The authorities are at fault to allow it in view of their filthy habits."

In 1889, three years before becoming an MP, he complained to a Commons select committee about 3,000 foreigners working in Scotland in Glasgow, Ayrshire and Leith.

When it was pointed out to him that more people left Scotland than entered it, Hardie replied: “It would be much better for Scotland if those (Scots)were compelled to remain there and let the foreigners be kept out. Dr Johnson said God made Scotland for Scotchmen, and I would keep it so.”

Hardie said of the foreign workers at Glengarnock: “Their habits are very filthy, six or seven males occupying a one-roomed house.”

 

The more things change etc..

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6 minutes ago, lost said:

Literally the guy who founded the labour party:

 

The first Independent Labour Party MP blamed immigrants for driving down wages of Scottish workers and he accused them of stealing and of failing to adhere to proper standards of hygiene.

In an article written for the journal The Miner in 1887, he criticised the owners of the local Glengarnock ironworks for using “Russian Poles”.

“What object they have in doing so is beyond human ken unless it is, as stated by a speaker at Irvine, to teach men how to live on garlic and oil, or introduce the Black Death, so as to get rid of the surplus labourers,” he said.

In a speech to a meeting of miners the same year, he said: “In former years if a slave escaped in America and crossed to Canada he was a free man, but here we have a batch of men sent from their homes into our midst for the purpose of bringing you down, if possible, to their level. The authorities are at fault to allow it in view of their filthy habits."

In 1889, three years before becoming an MP, he complained to a Commons select committee about 3,000 foreigners working in Scotland in Glasgow, Ayrshire and Leith.

When it was pointed out to him that more people left Scotland than entered it, Hardie replied: “It would be much better for Scotland if those (Scots)were compelled to remain there and let the foreigners be kept out. Dr Johnson said God made Scotland for Scotchmen, and I would keep it so.”

Hardie said of the foreign workers at Glengarnock: “Their habits are very filthy, six or seven males occupying a one-roomed house.”

 

The more things change etc..

it was all those bleeding liberals that joined them

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1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:


I’m not sure national share is the best way to look at it. It’s about the efficiency of the vote, no advantage of significantly increasing vote share in areas you hold and a small reduction in those that you don’t.

but it's maybe losing voters to green in places where it's a race between reform and labour that is really killing them?

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33 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I'm not sure that posing like someone about to commit suicide is a great look...

To be fair that pretty well sums up their delivery of good news . People looking for the worst or just a terrible look how they’ve done it . I’d not noticed that initially but doesn’t look great looking at it now you’ve said . They do seem on a bit of an offensive today , with good news on several fronts and new discounts for the summer 

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