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[NorthernSoul52]

We assuming the bill won't drop until Sleep Token wrap their tour, then? 

[callum97]

32 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

We assuming the bill won't drop until Sleep Token wrap their tour, then? 

Nov 12th announcement 

 

Sleep Token pretty much fully sold out so that’s not an issue. 

[NorthernSoul52]

9 hours ago, callum97 said:

Nov 12th announcement 

 

Sleep Token pretty much fully sold out so that’s not an issue. 

Fair enough. Know they're reportedly selling well.

[northernangel]

16 hours ago, chilltheory said:

Thought id join in with fake posters

I think if you move Falling in Reverse to sub that's a decent bet. Saturday ticket as the other days are terrible anyway. 

 

[NorthernSoul52]

Falling in Reverse seem to be a bizarrely big draw for a band whose best-charting album in the UK reached #29.

[northernangel]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Falling in Reverse seem to be a bizarrely big draw for a band whose best-charting album in the UK reached #29.

That's where Spotify etc comes in. With the tour they are doing they are either going to sub or not play and wait to headline.

 

[foolee]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Falling in Reverse seem to be a bizarrely big draw for a band whose best-charting album in the UK reached #29.

People don’t really buy albums anymore. You’ll usually see a massive artist like Foos or Taylor Swift and then anyone who does vinyl/outstore shows to sell records get charting but it’s not a very good metric for where to be placed at a festival. Spotify also isn’t a great metric because you don’t know the demographic, why someone is listening, do they know the artist they’re listening to? & do they go to the shows? I’d say your best bet for placing bands at festivals these days is size of shows and how many tickets they’ve sold/if they’ve sold out. 

[Andre91]

Falling In Reverse have sold a tonne of tickets so I’m expecting them to sub Main or headline Second at the very least. It is worth noting these are their first ever UK shows so that has obviously played a part but if they can keep these numbers up (or even exceed them) in future, they’re absolutely in the headliner conversation going forward. 

[northernangel]

16 minutes ago, foolee said:

People don’t really buy albums anymore. You’ll usually see a massive artist like Foos or Taylor Swift and then anyone who does vinyl/outstore shows to sell records get charting but it’s not a very good metric for where to be placed at a festival. Spotify also isn’t a great metric because you don’t know the demographic, why someone is listening, do they know the artist they’re listening to? & do they go to the shows? I’d say your best bet for placing bands at festivals these days is size of shows and how many tickets they’ve sold/if they’ve sold out. 

Yup. Even with Spotify I usually just look for a compilation of what I like more than anything and play a random mix.

[northernangel]

1 minute ago, Andre91 said:

Falling In Reverse have sold a tonne of tickets so I’m expecting them to sub Main or headline Second at the very least. It is worth noting these are their first ever UK shows so that has obviously played a part but if they can keep these numbers up (or even exceed them) in future, they’re absolutely in the headliner conversation going forward. 

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

[Andre91]

17 minutes ago, northernangel said:

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

Sure. 

[foolee]

1 hour ago, Andre91 said:

Falling In Reverse have sold a tonne of tickets so I’m expecting them to sub Main or headline Second at the very least. It is worth noting these are their first ever UK shows so that has obviously played a part but if they can keep these numbers up (or even exceed them) in future, they’re absolutely in the headliner conversation going forward. 

100% sub or second stage headliner agreed. 

[Andre91]

4 minutes ago, foolee said:

100% sub or second stage headliner agreed. 

They might want to bring a big production with them which is why I could see them headlining Second. 

[northernangel]

24 minutes ago, foolee said:

100% sub or second stage headliner agreed. 

They are two different levels. I don't think any second stage headliner, even The bigger one's from the anniversary year can do the tour they have and sell at the rate they have.

[Spiral_Low]

2 hours ago, northernangel said:

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

Bigger than Ghost, Evanescence, Placebo, Pantera, Machine Head? 🤔

[northernangel]

1 hour ago, Spiral_Low said:

Bigger than Ghost, Evanescence, Placebo, Pantera, Machine Head? 🤔

Sell more tickets than all. 

[foolee]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

They are two different levels. I don't think any second stage headliner, even The bigger one's from the anniversary year can do the tour they have and sell at the rate they have.

Sometimes I think it’s about who is on main and if a band want to headline a stage though. Like Korn headlining main I could see FIR accepting the second stage but if they are offered sub for ST they might want to do it. 

[Andre91]

Bloodhound Gang are back and playing Rock AM Ring, apparently. 
 

GET THEM AT DL. 

Edited October 11, 2024 by Andre91

[DomDom1984]

Yeah, Falling in Reverse have sold a very impressive amount of tickets. Probably getting close to headliner levels. I went and checked because I was thinking "no way".

 

Cannot see any lower than sub, and they actually seem like a big sub to me.

 

 

[callum97]

10 minutes ago, DomDom1984 said:

Yeah, Falling in Reverse have sold a very impressive amount of tickets. Probably getting close to headliner levels. I went and checked because I was thinking "no way".

 

Cannot see any lower than sub, and they actually seem like a big sub to me.

 

 

Can see FiR and Bad Omens being two of the subs

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

12 hours ago, northernangel said:

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

It depends when they were booked though. If it was before they upscaled the tour headlining second would make sense. In the same way Ghost were booked for second before they had another huge boost in popularity. 

[Spiral_Low]

11 hours ago, northernangel said:

Sell more tickets than all. 

Because it's the first time they are playing the UK they have sold alot. Doesn't mean they have more fans overall...I mean bigger than Ghost c'mon can't take that seriously. 

[Andre91]

Latest attempt: 

 

[northernangel]

12 hours ago, foolee said:

Sometimes I think it’s about who is on main and if a band want to headline a stage though. Like Korn headlining main I could see FIR accepting the second stage but if they are offered sub for ST they might want to do it. 

 

I think they'd rather skip completely that accept second. They are selling far more than any Download second stage headliner on a normal year. Take this year for example, I don't remember who FFAF replaced so I won't count them but Pantera haven't sold their tour well from what I've read and they'll outsell MH easy here. Download is also somewhere where you get bigger crowds on second main stage for certain bands that might not otherwise fly out on tour so imagine someone where they do fly out.

12 hours ago, DomDom1984 said:

Yeah, Falling in Reverse have sold a very impressive amount of tickets. Probably getting close to headliner levels. I went and checked because I was thinking "no way".

 

Cannot see any lower than sub, and they actually seem like a big sub to me.

 

 

 

Exactly this.

12 hours ago, callum97 said:

Can see FiR and Bad Omens being two of the subs

 

The only way Bullet are still subbing now for me is if FIR and Bad Omens/Detones are sub and I'm sure we have info Deftones are very likely. FIR is just guess work at this point.

3 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

It depends when they were booked though. If it was before they upscaled the tour headlining second would make sense. In the same way Ghost were booked for second before they had another huge boost in popularity. 

 

There has to be a recognition surely though that based on sales, you need to move a band that are ery borderline main stage headliners themselves to a bigger stage slot?

1 hour ago, Spiral_Low said:

Because it's the first time they are playing the UK they have sold alot. Doesn't mean they have more fans overall...I mean bigger than Ghost c'mon can't take that seriously. 

 

I'm going by ticket sales, I don't care if it's the first time they are playing. You've had artists that came and played 3 nights Brixton then the following yesr selling multiple arenas as quick as any artists in the last 15 years at £90/100 a ticket. FIR have sold in one sitting without literally looking numbers to numbers, a little less tickets than Ghost did over both 2019 and 22 tours. 

[Spiral_Low]

In Flames, Nile, Alcest and Exodus all announced for Mystic festival. Means all 4 could pop up at Download. Exodus and Alcest would be potential Dogtooth headliners.