vaccine passports

[Paul ™]

Yup all for it, if it gets events up and running then even better.

Happy to it for international travel too, no different to having proof of vaccination for other communicable dieseases for certain countries.

 

[eFestivals]

8 hours ago, Paul ™ said:

Yup all for it, if it gets events up and running then even better.

Happy to it for international travel too, no different to having proof of vaccination for other communicable dieseases for certain countries.

 

No different to the UK quarAntining arrivals from certain countries.

[Paul ™]

5 hours ago, eFestivals said:

No different to the UK quarAntining arrivals from certain countries.

What? Nothing like it, are they going to review having them every few weeks then based on data?

 

[efcfanwirral]

 

17 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

So my issue with doing it before everyone has had the chance to take up 2 vaccines, is it potentially discriminates against the young, who have given up more opportunity and less risk to themselves, as well as an economic situation which is going to hurt them for decades. The vaccine rollout is largely being done in the right order (although why NHS staff and teachers weren't prioritised higher I don't get), but if that's then turned into how much you're allowing people to do, it's a completely different issue.

International travel isn't our own government doing it to our own citizens, it is picking and choosing, but at least it's not the endless same demand of younger generations to sacrifice themselves for the elderly.

Also, most people working in any venues are likely to be younger.

 

17 hours ago, eFestivals said:

 Of sure if two doses will be required.we still need to see detailssrill to be revesaelled.

If two doses are required, events simply won't happen at full capacity until everyone has had two. I do have a suspicion they might say one dose for younger people if they want to stick fully to the roadmap, but you can't open up fully with just one dose if its a two dose program, where's the incentive to get the second? 

I think yes, us younger people are going to have to wait a few more months for events. 

Really most of the country will be happy with pubs open, events aren't that important to the majority. 

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

 

If two doses are required, events simply won't happen at full capacity until everyone has had two. I do have a suspicion they might say one dose for younger people if they want to stick fully to the roadmap, but you can't open up fully with just one dose if its a two dose program, where's the incentive to get the second? 

I think yes, us younger people are going to have to wait a few more months for events. 

Really most of the country will be happy with pubs open, events aren't that important to the majority. 

The thing is though, in the short term (ie. between dose 1 and dose 2) the difference in protection is pretty small.

The main point of the second dose, if I've understood correctly, is to ensure the immunity doesn't fade away over time.

Long term, we need everyone with two doses to be protected for at least a few years. But short term it's not an issue.

We wouldn't even be doing second doses right now if there wasn't concern that the initial protection could start to drop off after 12 weeks.

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

 

If two doses are required, events simply won't happen at full capacity until everyone has had two. I do have a suspicion they might say one dose for younger people if they want to stick fully to the roadmap, but you can't open up fully with just one dose if its a two dose program, where's the incentive to get the second? 

I think yes, us younger people are going to have to wait a few more months for events. 

Really most of the country will be happy with pubs open, events aren't that important to the majority. 

Pubs open is good if you can access them if that needs a second dose that's the incentive.

Edited March 17, 2021 by eFestivals

[efcfanwirral]

36 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Pubs open is good if you can access them if that needs a second dose that's the incentive.

True as long as there aren't too many restrictions on furlough over the summer or a middle ground found - we HAVE to wait 3 months for the 2nd dose, so its not entirely our decision when those 1st and 2nd doses happen (I think as many as possible would really want it quicker if that was possible to get back to their lives). I don't know if many pubs could survive June/July/August with the younger crowd completely excluded, not to mention a lot of their staff won't have had 2 doses. I just don't know what the compromise is on that

I'm convinced this is only a hospitality argument and that events are in the same boat they were in last summer until September, whatever the lying PM says

[lost]

Like anything where there is a demand a black market will spring up and so it'll be like the 1990's again with all the young people going to illegal raves.

I agree about the pubs though its an industry I wouldn't touch at the moment. Not only for the summer but I guess there are still questions over restrictions next winter and without government support a pubs normal business cycle is to be rammed over Christmas to get through a traditionally quiet January and February.

I won't believe this is over until i'm stood on a rammed dancefloor in a bar on news year eve, everyone bellowing out "auld lang syne" with spittle going everywhere.

Edited March 17, 2021 by lost

[eFestivals]

37 minutes ago, lost said:

Like anything where there is a demand a black market will springup

There's a gezer o street who has built a shack in his back garden with sofas and a bar has been going since the summer and been quite loud on occasions.

[fred quimby]

On 3/16/2021 at 12:00 PM, eFestivals said:

They can refuse the vaccine as it's not compulsory on the basis of my govt my syay.id like to have a say over someone else infecting me.

um. The vaccine does not stop someone spreading it, or infecting you. The vaccine protects you from the effects is my understanding

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

um. The vaccine does not stop someone spreading it, or infecting you. The vaccine protects you from the effects is my understanding

Vaccine also seems to protect people from getting infected which means they couldn't infect you.

[fred quimby]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Vaccine also seems to protect people from getting infected which means they couldn't infect you.

Think there probably needs more evidence on that.

 

Also we have no idea how long the Vaccine works, so do we spaff the money on passports and then find they are useless later down the line. or are you talking short term here

Could spend that money on buying vaccines for poorer countries

[eFestivals]

The UK eont let peep in unless thdy agree to the quaeantine condition. Other  ounfries and some events and venue wont let peeps in unless they qgree to proving their vccination or co id staustus (via a test or vaccinstionpssslort}. 

Edited March 17, 2021 by eFestivals

[Paul ™]

38 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

The UK eont let peep in unless thdy agree to the quaeantine condition. Other  ounfries and some events and venue wont let peeps in unless they qgree to proving their vccination or co id staustus (via a test or vaccinstionpssslort}. 

Is your keyboard broken or are you on really strong drugs for the broken ribs?

[lost]

after todays vaccine announcement I would think passports for local services/businesses are off the menu unless they want to create a two tier society based on age over the summer (some would argue we already have that 😃)

Can't think a festival with the same atmosphere as your local wetherspoons would be much fun.

Edited March 17, 2021 by lost

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

Is your keyboard broken or are you on really strong drugs for the broken ribs?

Imcrap at using a phone keyboard. Just like youre crap at a meaningful reply

[Paul ™]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Imcrap at using a phone keyboard. Just like youre crap at a meaningful reply

Even Google Translate just error'd 

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

Even Google Translate just error'd 

Confusing your brsin for google noqw? 

[Paul ™]

14 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Confusing your brsin for google noqw? 

😂 Stay off that crack pipe.

You said it's no different, yet a negative test will be acceptable, that's got bugger all comparison to hotel quarantine. 

 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, Paul ™ said:

😂 Stay off that crack pipe.

You said it's no different, yet a negative test will be acceptable, that's got bugger all comparison to hotel quarantine. 

 

Bob h are conditions of entry. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[Paul ™]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Bob h are conditions of entry. 

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Go have a lie down..

[eFestivals]

12 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Go have a lie down..

An off for a stand up shortly.

They are both about limiting the spread of covid to reduce illness and deaths a good thing.

[TalkShow Bob]

I think vaccine passports are inevitable for international travel. From a domestic point of view as long as whatever the 'passport' is treats people who can't have a vaccine for medical reasons (not because they've been sucked in by a [stuck off] ex-doctor and a reckless press) the same as people who have had the vaccine I'm all for it. I'm just slightly uncomfortable about the idea of people with complex medical issues having to explain what they are to bouncers.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, TalkShow Bob said:

I think vaccine passports are inevitable for international travel. From a domestic point of view as long as whatever the 'passport' is treats people who can't have a vaccine for medical reasons (not because they've been sucked in by a [stuck off] ex-doctor and a reckless press) the same as people who have had the vaccine I'm all for it. I'm just slightly uncomfortable about the idea of people with complex medical issues having to explain what they are to bouncers.

Unvacinatpeople will be able to have a test instead. 

Edited March 31, 2021 by eFestivals

[TalkShow Bob]

Do you think that will continue? Seems a bit of a faf for people who can't have the vaccine to be tested constantly. I wonder at what point the testing infrastructure will start to get stood down.