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[Guest]

They’ll aim to cut taxes for working people but increase taxes on wealthy individuals. Have faith. 

[mattiloy]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They’ll aim to cut taxes for working people but increase taxes on wealthy individuals. Have faith. 

How is he going to pivot left once in power if he’s also stuffing his candidate lists with right wingers? And if he doesn’t have any mandate to do so having campaigned on a right wing platform.

The man has done you up like a kipper. I look forward to the buyer’s remorse in a few years time. Its as deluded as brexiteers. Just ignore all the evidence and crack on

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

How is he going to pivot left once in power if he’s also stuffing his candidate lists with right wingers? And if he doesn’t have any mandate to do so having campaigned on a right wing platform.

The man has done you up like a kipper. I look forward to the buyer’s remorse in a few years time. Its as deluded as brexiteers. Just ignore all the evidence and crack on

because he lies in election campaigns?

[steviewevie]

I mean..it is an interview with the telegraph. It is aimed at a certain section of the electorate. They obviously need to appeal to some people who have voted tory in the past. The polls are good for labour...but there are a lot of Don't Knows, which are probably a lot of quiet tories who are fed up with their own party, but who may well vote tory in the next election. It looks a lot more comfortable for Labour than it probably is.

[steviewevie]

Kanye West standing for president, the weird racist c**t.

[kaosmark2]

44 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They’ll aim to cut taxes for working people but increase taxes on wealthy individuals. Have faith. 

I prefer evidence to faith thanks.

[steviewevie]

fuck knows what will happen...all will depend on what shit state we're in in a couple of years...he's just trying to get labour in power first, which means saying some shit that some of us might not like, like "cutting taxes for working people" and "we're not going to do a swiss type deal with EU whatever the fuck that is".

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I prefer evidence to faith thanks.

There isn’t any evidence as he isn’t in power yet, hence the faith. 

[kaosmark2]

45 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

There isn’t any evidence as he isn’t in power yet, hence the faith. 

If what he says isn't evidence of what he believes, he shouldn't be in power.

[Crazyfool01]

I’ll be voting Lib Dem anyway so I’ve a get out clause if he does go all Tory lite on us … 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

If what he says isn't evidence of what he believes, he shouldn't be in power.

He said he believes in a wealth tax and Labour are working on plans for one therefore with your logic that is evidence enough. 

[kaosmark2]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He said he believes in a wealth tax and Labour are working on plans for one therefore with your logic that is evidence enough. 

Cool, so I've seen evidence that he panders to racists and has authoritarian principles.

[kaosmark2]

10 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

A so called wealth tax will be a tax on stocks and shares...  Which in the end will hit everyones pensions...  

That'd be good.

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Because our generation haven't already got huge issues over how we fund our retirement ? 

No-one under 45 is going to get to retire, the world will burn before then.

[fraybentos1]

12 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

No-one under 45 is going to get to retire, the world will burn before then.

Doom-mongering nonsense

[cellar]

39 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

A so called wealth tax will be a tax on stocks and shares...  Which in the end will hit everyones pensions...  

I don't understand the logic here, why does taxing S&S (like through dividend or CGT tax changes) affect pensions? Unless they're pension-specific changes I don't see how it would affect them... Maybe you're talking about some sort of knock on effect to state pensions, but then I still don't really follow

Edited November 25, 2022 by cellar

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Cool, so I've seen evidence that he panders to racists and has authoritarian principles.

So you admit there is sufficient evidence that he’ll bring about policies to tax wealth, that’s good. 

[kaosmark2]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So you admit there is sufficient evidence that he’ll bring about policies to tax wealth, that’s good. 

Yes? I'm perfectly happy praising him for the good things, I just don't idolise him and will point out his failings.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Yes? I'm perfectly happy praising him for the good things, I just don't idolise him and will point out his failings.

I’m saying it’s good we confirmed there is sufficient evidence that Labour will tax wealth. We are on the same page. 

[kaosmark2]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I’m saying it’s good we confirmed there is sufficient evidence that Labour will tax wealth. We are on the same page. 

There's also more that's he's an authoritarian.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

There's also more that's he's an authoritarian.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the original point about his plans for a wealth tax.

[kaosmark2]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That doesn’t have anything to do with the original point about his plans for a wealth tax.

While cutting taxes elsewhere. We need that invested in public services, not giving the middle classes more to spend on luxuries.

[Guest]

Just now, kaosmark2 said:

While cutting taxes elsewhere. We need that invested in public services, not giving the middle classes more to spend on luxuries.

Ok, I’m not sure how’s that linked to any authoritarianism but Labour have plans to invest more on public services.

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

You basically dislike anyone who earns more than you don't you ? 

Maybe you should have tried harder at school ?  Maybe blame yourself for being poor instead of hating on anyone who did well and worked harder.

Lot of assumptions there. Also wrong ones.

I want a society that means that my privilege is the bare minimum. It's not about punishing people for being successful, but an actual meritocracy relies on positive opportunities for everyone, not just a select few.

[steviewevie]