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[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

SNP amendment:

Yes: 125
No: 293 

(SNP has 43 MPs)

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

SNP amendment:

Yes: 125
No: 293 

(SNP has 43 MPs)

8 shadow frontbenchers apparently, so not that many considering those that have resigned. It won’t dislodge the Rwanda ruling as main news. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

8 shadow frontbenchers apparently, so not that many considering those that have resigned. It won’t disclose the Rwanda ruling as main news. 

yeah, Labour kind of lucky that it was a big news day.

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, Labour kind of lucky that it was a big news day.

Or Starmer has managed to handle the rebellion fairly well and limit the number of shadow frontbencher rebels. 

[Ozanne]

 

[steviewevie]

[pink_triangle]

You don’t get the impression that many of these resignations are going to be causing much trouble from the backbenches.

[steviewevie]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

You don’t get the impression that many of these resignations are going to be causing much trouble from the backbenches.

no, feels sad, and something that maybe could have been avoided.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

You don’t get the impression that many of these resignations are going to be causing much trouble from the backbenches.

They won’t cause any issues at all, all of them seem very regretful. It doesn’t seem like this is going to be a crises for Labour. 

[pink_triangle]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no, feels sad, and something that maybe could have been avoided.

I’m not sure much could be done to avoid it, there is no path that doesn’t upset someone. The only person who has resigned with any profile is Jess Phillips who will be an effective media performer from the backbenches and likely come back one day.

The others are unknowns who will be replaced by other unknowns.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I’m not sure much could be done to avoid it, there is no path that doesn’t upset someone. The only person who has resigned with any profile is Jess Phillips who will be an effective media performer from the backbenches and likely come back one day.

The others are unknowns who will be replaced by other unknowns.

a free vote...so get a rebellion, but no one has to lose their job. Labour have lost some good shadow ministers over this.

[steviewevie]

 

[Ozanne]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

a free vote...so get a rebellion, but no one has to lose their job. Labour have lost some good shadow ministers over this.

They are on the cusp of power where they can change lives for the better but decided to resign over an SNP motion that does nothing. 

[pink_triangle]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

a free vote...so get a rebellion, but no one has to lose their job. Labour have lost some good shadow ministers over this.

They have a free vote and some will accuse Starmer of not showing leadership against Hamas. He can’t win whatever he does.

In terms of losing good shadow ministers, good shadow ministers (off all parties) go in every reshuffle and are replaced by someone else. That’s just what happens in politics.

[pink_triangle]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They are on the cusp of power where they can change lives for the better but decided to resign over an SNP motion that does nothing. 

Not only a motion that does nothing, one designed to make things difficult for labour.

[steviewevie]

[Ozanne]

Good old DC

[mattiloy]

Inflation figures lower than expected, getting spanked in PMQs and then a hefty rebellion.

A tough day at the office for Sir Spam Head.

Edited November 15, 2023 by mattiloy

[Ryan1984]

20 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Inflation figures lower than expected, getting spanked in PMQs and then a hefty rebellion.

A tough day at the office for Sir Spam Head.

What happened at PMQs?

[Neil]

3 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

And the SNP one won't pass either...  

So Labour fall for the SNP trap.

Morons... Utter morons...  

the snp trap will have been for labour MPs to not support it.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I don't see how.

they want to label labour as heartless English war mongers nothing like the lovely scots. hammering a wedge to highlight difference is mostly what the snp do.

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Yeah I don't see that being a reality that sticks.

its just another opportunity for the snp to do what they do - exploit differences for grievances.

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Yeah that is true.  They just exploited another really horrible thing for political gain like they did with Covid.

Its their stardard operation. If they credit labour as as good as them it gets harder to sell "vote for us we're different"

[Neil]

Sunak has been slagging off foreign laws about the Rwanda ruling when it's three British laws behind today's ruling.