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3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

...but also it isn't a total win for pro Palestinians...it didn't rule for an immediate ceasefire, and said Hamas must release all hostages...so...kind of messy.

I find it crazy that the idea that people in support of a two-state solution are being labelled as pro-Palestine at the moment. Not accusing you, just more general rhetoric.

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2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I find it crazy that the idea that people in support of a two-state solution are being labelled as pro-Palestine at the moment. Not accusing you, just more general rhetoric.

ok, not sure how else to describe. Pro South African? Anti Israel? Pro peace? I mean, no one in that region seems to want a two state solution as far as I can gather.

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10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

ok, not sure how else to describe. Pro South African? Anti Israel? Pro peace? I mean, no one in that region seems to want a two state solution as far as I can gather.

Yeah. I'd largely say it's "anti-genocide". I mean yeah I consider myself pro-peace, but there are moral interventionist wars that can be justified. I'd definitely say "anti-Israel" or "pro-Palestine" has a bit more of a "from the river to the sea" vibes and desire for the destruction of Israel as opposed to opposing its racist government committing war crimes.

It's a deeply nuanced situation with no simple terminology that sufficiently covers those nuances.

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26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Still think a Nov election more likely...I mean they can kick Sunak out, but who do they replace him with?

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