news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lost said:

I think they will do what parts of Europe have done and limit the energy price cap to a certain amount per household.

Yeah that will be popular.

They will scrap a few tax cuts.

[steviewevie]

Next year maybe they will scrap freeze cap and do it more targeted.

I know this because I know everything.

 

[lost]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah that will be popular.

They will scrap a few tax cuts.

As far as I can see the issue is the blank cheque they've written. Everyone gets say enough to heat their home and run a set of basic appliances. If you want a heated swimming pool or a bitcoin mining server room then you pay for it yourself.

Edited September 29, 2022 by lost

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Just now, lost said:

As far as I can see the issue is the blank cheque they've written. Everyone gets say enough to heat their home and run a set of basic appliances. If you want a heated swimming pool or a bitcoin mining server room then you pay for it yourself.

Everything went to shit after kwarteng's tax cut announcements, not after Truss did her cap freeze before the queen snuffed it. The price freeze is priced in...the unfunded tax cuts just looks stupid.

[lost]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 The price freeze is priced in..

Its priced in even though we don't know how much gas/electricity will cost in December or how much people will use?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Everything went to shit after kwarteng's tax cut announcements, not after Truss did her cap freeze before the queen snuffed it. The price freeze is priced in...the unfunded tax cuts just looks stupid.

Yes it was the tax cuts that caused the market to panic. How is this still being questioned!?

[steviewevie]

And actually I agree that freezing energy bills for everyone is unfair, is regressive, but they didn't have time to come up with something clever because they spent the whole summer arguing dick shit for Tory members. Ideally get through this winter and meanwhile come up with something more targeted.

[Guest]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781
 

Petition - Call an immediate general election to end the chaos of the current government

[mattiloy]

Whilst I believe that the polls are more or less a 999 call during probably the worst few weeks of government that the country has ever had - and leaving aside my outrage at the injustice of his management of internal party issues during his tenure - I was quietly pleased with Starmer at last throwing the left a bone with the nationalisation of rail and this new energy production co.

It was still very meak and mild as far as what is needed to vanquish the parasitic private sector’s involvement in the provision of supply and demand inelastic essentialistisk services - the energy production co doesn’t solve the issue with suppliers overcharging but allows the govt to bypass the big private cos when investing in renewables which is good and why oh why he doesn’t seize the opportunity to nationalise water too after a summer of shitey seas and rivers i don’t know. But it was a step in the right direction and it would have pissed off all the right people in the party who had thought that Starmer was their man, hammer of the left, destroyer of socialism.

Having watched their speeches, I’m sorry to say @Ozanne but both he and Reeves are still lacking a lot in charisma. But now that they’re up against a government that is simultaneously thrice as shambolic as the erstwhile worst government in living memory in BoJo’s regime, and also thrice the charisma vacuum of the Maybots - then I don’t think Starmer or Reeves really need charisma to succeed.

I’d be delighted if these results were borne out in an election and Starmer delivered on his promises. But I’ll still be voting Green.

[lost]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 they didn't have time to come up with something clever

Its not clever. Some people already have different rates around peak or non-peak time so say:

1st 2000kwh per year = cap rate

2001kwh+ = market rate

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lost said:

Its priced in even though we don't know how much gas/electricity will cost in December or how much people will use?

That isn't what spooked markets. We going to repeat the arguments of yesterday? We would not be in this clusterfuck if kw*nkhead hadn't done his dumbarse sillybudget. We would still have a cost of living crisis, but now we also potentially have a very sick economy for a long time because some spoddy pricks in 55 Tufton St thought it was cool.

[Skip997]

3 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 But I’ll still be voting Green.

Same here.

 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Whilst I believe that the polls are more or less a 999 call during probably the worst few weeks of government that the country has ever had - and leaving aside my outrage at the injustice of his management of internal party issues during his tenure - I was quietly pleased with Starmer at last throwing the left a bone with the nationalisation of rail and this new energy production co.

It was still very meak and mild as far as what is needed to vanquish the parasitic private sector’s involvement in the provision of supply and demand inelastic essentialistisk services - the energy production co doesn’t solve the issue with suppliers overcharging but allows the govt to bypass the big private cos when investing in renewables which is good and why oh why he doesn’t seize the opportunity to nationalise water too after a summer of shitey seas and rivers i don’t know. But it was a step in the right direction and it would have pissed off all the right people in the party who had thought that Starmer was their man, hammer of the left, destroyer of socialism.

Having watched their speeches, I’m sorry to say @Ozanne but both he and Reeves are still lacking a lot in charisma. But now that they’re up against a government that is simultaneously thrice as shambolic as the erstwhile worst government in living memory in BoJo’s regime, and also thrice the charisma vacuum of the Maybots - then I don’t think Starmer or Reeves really need charisma to succeed.

I’d be delighted if these results were borne out in an election and Starmer delivered on his promises. But I’ll still be voting Green.

essentialistisk?

 

[Guest]

Just now, mattiloy said:

Whilst I believe that the polls are more or less a 999 call during probably the worst few weeks of government that the country has ever had - and leaving aside my outrage at the injustice of his management of internal party issues during his tenure - I was quietly pleased with Starmer at last throwing the left a bone with the nationalisation of rail and this new energy production co.

It was still very meak and mild as far as what is needed to vanquish the parasitic private sector’s involvement in the provision of supply and demand inelastic essentialistisk services - the energy production co doesn’t solve the issue with suppliers overcharging but allows the govt to bypass the big private cos when investing in renewables which is good and why oh why he doesn’t seize the opportunity to nationalise water too after a summer of shitey seas and rivers i don’t know. But it was a step in the right direction and it would have pissed off all the right people in the party who had thought that Starmer was their man, hammer of the left, destroyer of socialism.

Having watched their speeches, I’m sorry to say @Ozanne but both he and Reeves are still lacking a lot in charisma. But now that they’re up against a government that is simultaneously thrice as shambolic as the erstwhile worst government in living memory in BoJo’s regime, and also thrice the charisma vacuum of the Maybots - then I don’t think Starmer or Reeves really need charisma to succeed.

I’d be delighted if these results were borne out in an election and Starmer delivered on his promises. But I’ll still be voting Green.

No need to be sorry about that, he isn’t charismatic and his style won’t be for everyone. I personally found him very motivating in his speech  

I’m glad you’ve given him a shot and listened to what he had to say at conference. I agree with nearly everything you’ve said, rail nationalisation and GB Energy are very good ideas. Plus their green policies are for me very encouraging.

For some reason I have it in my mind that they will nationalise water but not sure where from. 

[steviewevie]

I like what labour are offering and it is essential that the tories are kicked out but I will be voting green because of a lack of charisma.

[lost]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

We going to repeat the arguments of yesterday? 

I thought we were talking about how they were going to bring down spending? I'm just talking numbers here and the tax cut of 19 billion pounds, rising to 44.8 billion by 2026/27 (of which less than 5% was for the rich as we agreed yesterday) Could easily be covered by brining down the estimated spend on the energy cap in the near term whilst encouraging the population to all green and energy efficient.

Edited September 29, 2022 by lost

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, lost said:

I thought we were talking about how they were going to bring down spending? I'm just talking numbers here and the tax cut of 19 billion pounds, rising to 44.8 billion by 2026/27 (of which less than 5% was for the rich as we agreed yesterday) Could easily be covered by brining down the estimated spend on the energy cap in the near term whilst encouraging the population to all green and energy efficient.

Just bin the 45 billion tax cuts..do it another time..but they can't lose face so stick with it...onwards and upwards to oblivion

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by steviewevie

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Whilst I believe that the polls are more or less a 999 call during probably the worst few weeks of government that the country has ever had - and leaving aside my outrage at the injustice of his management of internal party issues during his tenure - I was quietly pleased with Starmer at last throwing the left a bone with the nationalisation of rail and this new energy production co.

It was still very meak and mild as far as what is needed to vanquish the parasitic private sector’s involvement in the provision of supply and demand inelastic essentialistisk services - the energy production co doesn’t solve the issue with suppliers overcharging but allows the govt to bypass the big private cos when investing in renewables which is good and why oh why he doesn’t seize the opportunity to nationalise water too after a summer of shitey seas and rivers i don’t know. But it was a step in the right direction and it would have pissed off all the right people in the party who had thought that Starmer was their man, hammer of the left, destroyer of socialism.

Having watched their speeches, I’m sorry to say @Ozanne but both he and Reeves are still lacking a lot in charisma. But now that they’re up against a government that is simultaneously thrice as shambolic as the erstwhile worst government in living memory in BoJo’s regime, and also thrice the charisma vacuum of the Maybots - then I don’t think Starmer or Reeves really need charisma to succeed.

I’d be delighted if these results were borne out in an election and Starmer delivered on his promises. But I’ll still be voting Green.

999 call you said, they've got a ten hour wait till the NHS can respond. 

[Guest]

I shared the full video yesterday but if anyone wants info on the markets panic from an economist, here you go:

 

[Skip997]

Introducing Universal Basic Income

This is my main reason for voting green

[steviewevie]

Just now, Skip997 said:

Introducing Universal Basic Income

This is my main reason for voting green

That's lovely. You know how electoral system works in this country, right?

[pink_triangle]

12 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

I’d be delighted if these results were borne out in an election and Starmer delivered on his promises. But I’ll still be voting Green.

Out of interest what kind of constituency do you live in? My friend who lives in a labour/Tory marginal is going to vote plaid as a protest that labour isn't left enough. To me this is mad as under our electoral system it only benefit the torys.

[mattiloy]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

essentialistisk?

 

Autokorrekt on my phone

 

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I like what labour are offering and it is essential that the tories are kicked out but I will be voting green because of a lack of charisma.

 

I like a couple of policies and am pleased with the tack left but will be voting Green because I like more of their policies and stand nearer to them in my beliefs. Charisma isn’t important to me, but it could be to the public.

 

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Out of interest what kind of constituency do you live in? My friend who lives in a labour/Tory marginal is going to vote plaid as a protest that labour isn't left enough. To me this is mad as under our electoral system it only benefit the torys.

I live in Stockholm but I vote in a very safe Labour seat.

[Skip997]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

That's lovely. You know how electoral system works in this country, right?

I have the luxury of living a constituency that always returns a labour MP, and by some margin.

I can vote Green.