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[zahidf]

 

[steviewevie]

Quite a bounce

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

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[Guest]

That’s just incredible. 2 and a half years ago Labour were 20 points behind and now look at them. It isn’t a done deal but it’s so much better. 

[steviewevie]

Kwarteng and Truss have massively fucked up and we could be paying for this for a long time.

[Reckoner]

I really don’t understand why people want PR over a preferential/transferable vote system. Surely the goal here is to stop tories winning seats with 40% of the fptp vote because the left/Centre left vote splits. 

[fraybentos1]

9 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

I really don’t understand why people want PR over a preferential/transferable vote system. Surely the goal here is to stop tories winning seats with 40% of the fptp vote because the left/Centre left vote splits. 

A transferable vote system would be a type of PR. E.g Single Transferable vote which is probs the best one. 
 

don’t really understand what your point is 

[Guest]

Whats that coming over the hill? It’s more Labour policy…

[Reckoner]

4 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

A transferable vote system would be a type of PR. E.g Single Transferable vote which is probs the best one. 
 

don’t really understand what your point is 

My point is that you can still maintain single member districts  and have a voting system that stops people winning  those seats with less than a majority without needing to change everything and adopting PR regardless of its form. 

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

Starmer speech today.

[steviewevie]

Kwarteng to reassure the markets with cuts to the state.

[steviewevie]

pesky bankers

 

[fred quimby]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

pesky bankers

 

They will get a tasty bonus of the back of it now

[fred quimby]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Starmer speech today.

Ozannes right arm is going to be tired today 😉

[Neil]

11 hours ago, Ozanne said:

That’s just incredible. 2 and a half years ago Labour were 20 points behind and now look at them. It isn’t a done deal but it’s so much better. 

better leader = 20 points gain.

crap leader like jez = 80 seat tory majority; look what you did momentum.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Neil

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, Neil said:

better leader = 20 points gain.

crap leader like jez = 80 seat tory majority; look what you did momentum.

Starmer definitely helped by shitness of govt though,and brexit totally screwed labour under corbyn...but yeah,maybe more people feel reassured by starmer than put off by his centrist blandness.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Starmer definitely helped by shitness of govt though,and brexit totally screwed labour under corbyn...but yeah,maybe more people feel reassured by starmer than put off by his centrist blandness.

corbvyn fed brexit.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Neil said:

corbvyn fed brexit.

I don't know what that means, but brexit is not corbyn's fault. It was tricky for him, he was a eurosceptic who campaigned to stay in EU, and then he led a party who's MPs and membership were mostly remainers, but who's electorate was split. It almost became impossible for labour which way to go in 2019 once Johnson took over. In hindsight labour should have supported May's deal, although if that had passed we still might have ended up in the same place.

Edited September 27, 2022 by steviewevie

[Neil]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I don't know what that means, but brexit is not corbyn's fault. It was tricky for him, he was a eurosceptic who campaigned to stay in EU, and then he led a party who's MPs and membership were mostly remainers, but who's electorate was split. It almost became impossible for labour which way to go in 2019 once Johnson took over. In hindsight labour should have supported May's deal, although if that had passed we still might have ended up in the same place.

corbyn's hate of the eu helped feed the leave vote, it gave left wingers the ok to vote leave. and he barely campaigned against brexit.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

corbyn's hate of the eu helped feed the leave vote, it gave left wingers the ok to vote leave. and he barely campaigned against brexit.

Some on the left didn't like the eu whatever corbyn thought. He still campaigned to remain, and most of the younger people who joined labour because of corbyn also wanted remain..it is the older union types who wanted out.

[steviewevie]

If labour get into power they won't have any money to spend.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Some on the left didn't like the eu whatever corbyn thought. He still campaigned to remain, and most of the younger people who joined labour because of corbyn also wanted remain..it is the older union types who wanted out.

he barely  campaigned for rewmain, he said vote remain but the eu is awful.

[Neil]

in jhapan they're protesting about the expense of a state funeral, they aren'[t queuing up to endorse it.