Football 2015/16

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Thats if all clauses are met though. Granted I don't know what they are but is the article just what they're worth in transfer fees?*

Utd are playing £58M if Martial reaches expecttations.

The price they've quoted is based on him being a young player with expectations he'll be better in the future.

They're both the same evaluation, and they've both come out with the same price.

The fact that Utd have a bit of a get-out if he doesn't reach the expected levels is just a bit of insurance cover, really, and so isn't worth the value of the £20M+ difference. On a short-life asset like a footie player I'd rate it as 'worth' perhaps 20% of that £20M+ difference.

So if you like you might say Martial has increased in price by about £5M since Utd bought him. Which is nice, but there's other players with much bigger monthly price-apprecaitions over the same timescale (Sterling) or a longer timescale (Coutinho).

 

[Gucci Piggy]

Apparently the clauses are:

Score 25 goals in next four years	£7.2 million
Earn 25 France caps in next four years	£7.2 million
Win Ballon d'Or before June 2019

So I'd expect him to achieve two of those. God knows how to remove that formatting on mobile; I only wanted to copy and paste the clauses. I seem to have missed out the value of the third clause but I think it's the same as the other two.

Edit: Yeah the third one is 7.2m as well.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Will-2609

[LondonTom]

On 1/6/2016 at 0:22 PM, The Nal said:

After 2 seasons of shadowing two poor performing managers?

Or just shadowing the first one again:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35247693

 

 Please!

[eFestivals]

so who's this defender that Sunderland have snared from Bayern, then? Any good?

 

[mrtourette]

16 hours ago, The Nal said:

*Doesn't seem like we ever hear the full story on transfer fees for anyone. 

Of course we don't, which is why all these articles about value (especially compared to cost) are speculative bollocks.

[mrtourette]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Any good?

He's just signed for Sunderland.

[eFestivals]

Just now, mrtourette said:

He's just signed for Sunderland.

and turned down a number of offers in Germany to do so, cos he wants to play in England.

He's come from Bayern, so he shouldn't be shabby even if he's not top-class.

Without knowing anything about the player, I suspect this is a deal that suits both of them, with Sunderland getting a better player than they'd normally get in the position they're in, with the possibility to make a few quid if/when they sell him on, while the player gets to showcase himself in the Prem where he'll get a move somewhere else better if he shows he deserves it.

If that's the case S'land might have just signed their salvation, which is why I was asking about the player.

[eFestivals]

I googled 'rating' for him, and ended up on a site which has player comparisons. So I searched for some Prem defenders till I found one with similar stats, and supposedly his defending skills are around the same as Luke Shaw's (tho he doesn't have the saqme pace or dribbling skills).

http://www.futhead.com/15/players/17907/jan-kirchhoff/

http://www.futhead.com/16/players/1017/luke-shaw/

So I found a comparison, tho I'm not really sure what it means. I can't say I've been hugely impressed with Shaw's defending skills, tho maybe that's because he's often at the other end of the field.

[The Nal]

22 minutes ago, mrtourette said:

He's just signed for Sunderland.

[mrtourette]

16 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

He's come from Bayern, so he shouldn't be shabby even if he's not top-class.

'Not too shabby' is probably the best description, especially compared to Sunderland's current options, but I wouldn't call him their salvation.

He joined three years go as a reasonably highly-rated young defender but didn't make many appearances for Bayern. He spent half his Bayern career on loan at Shalke, again not a bad team but didn't get in the first team on a regular basis, and now he's been allowed to leave for Sunderland.

He isn't a potential world-class defender who has just been stifled by lack of opportunities at a big club, he's an average defender with some decent physical attributes who has had to take a step or two down to get regular football. Like you say it's probably a solution that suits both, which is why it's only an 18-month deal.

[jackarmy]

Alan Curtis appointed manager at Swansea until the end of the season. I just hope this means that the board are going to spend the manager money on a striker.

I think the relegation battle is gonna go right to the wire this season. And our last game is Man City at home... gulp!

[pink_triangle]

32 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

Alan Curtis appointed manager at Swansea until the end of the season. I just hope this means that the board are going to spend the manager money on a striker.

I think the relegation battle is gonna go right to the wire this season. And our last game is Man City at home... gulp!

I think its a big gamble appointing someone with no managerial experience for a relegation battle.  He never really came across as having a great footballing brain when he used to be a punidit on bbc wales

[The Nal]

37 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

Alan Curtis appointed manager at Swansea until the end of the season. I just hope this means that the board are going to spend the manager money on a striker.

I think the relegation battle is gonna go right to the wire this season. And our last game is Man City at home... gulp!

January and March seems like make or break for Swansea.

[jackarmy]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

I think its a big gamble appointing someone with no managerial experience for a relegation battle.  He never really came across as having a great footballing brain when he used to be a punidit on bbc wales

Hmmm, in my encounters with him (lives locally) I've always found him to be very knowledgeable and articulate. He's also got the respect of the players at the club (bar maybe Shelvey, who will be sold this month hopefully) - this is something that was severely lacking under Monk towards the end.

We appointed somebody with no coaching experience to get us out of a relegation battle in Monk, and it paid off. The performances have been much improved as of late, 3 clean sheets in 5 games, and were unlucky to lose the other two games to the 2 Manchester sides.

But yeah, it is a gamble. But with the options of either Curt til May and a new striker, or a new manager and no funds for squad improvement, I'd say it may have been best to plump for the former.

[eFestivals]

12 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

But yeah, it is a gamble. But with the options of either Curt til May and a new striker, or a new manager and no funds for squad improvement, I'd say it may have been best to plump for the former.

I'd say that's the right approach.

There's no guarantee anyone else coming in would do as well or better, as Villa gets to prove.

[jackarmy]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'd say that's the right approach.

There's no guarantee anyone else coming in would do as well or better, as Villa gets to prove.

Definitely, we have a solid but under-performing squad. If we add a striker I think we'll probably just about be alright.

Give me Curtis over handing a Poyet or Pearson an 18 month contract (which seemed like the options). By the sound of it there's quite a few interested in the vacancy should we retain PL status.

[pink_triangle]

12 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

Definitely, we have a solid but under-performing squad. If we add a striker I think we'll probably just about be alright.

Give me Curtis over handing a Poyet or Pearson an 18 month contract (which seemed like the options). By the sound of it there's quite a few interested in the vacancy should we retain PL status.

What do you think is long term aim for Swansea, have they reached their peak?  I see you as one of those sides treading water in the premiership and will probably have a bad season and get relegated in the fairly near future.

[GlastoSimon]

12 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

Definitely, we have a solid but under-performing squad. If we add a striker I think we'll probably just about be alright.

Give me Curtis over handing a Poyet or Pearson an 18 month contract (which seemed like the options). By the sound of it there's quite a few interested in the vacancy should we retain PL status.

You only have to look at Leicester to see that is probably true, better quality managers around at that point too.

Curtis should be able to keep them up, talented squad Swans have and he seems to have them working defensively. Getting Sigurdsson, Gomis etc. playing well again is the key.  

[jackarmy]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

What do you think is long term aim for Swansea, have they reached their peak?  I see you as one of those sides treading water in the premiership and will probably have a bad season and get relegated in the fairly near future.

I think everybody outside City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham & Everton is only one bad season away from relegation.

We've got to be happy to accept that, look to go about getting enough results to stay up each season by playing good football, and then the occasional good cup run and maybe a foray into Europe every 4-5 years would be a realistic goal I feel. These are fine achievements for a club our size.

Improvement off the pitch is also important, I think staying in the PL is vital to this (Stadium expansion, better commercial department) as wages take up something like 80% of our revenue at the moment, and some aspects of the club are still at a League 1 standard.

[mrtourette]

On the subject of Gomis did anyway see the F365 half-way stats?

Caught offside the most times (total):
Bafetimbi Gomis – Swansea (31)
Marko Arnautovic – Stoke (17)
Diego Costa – Chelsea (15)
Jermain Defoe – Sunderland (15)
Sadio Mane – Southampton (15)

[jackarmy]

7 minutes ago, mrtourette said:

On the subject of Gomis did anyway see the F365 half-way stats?

Caught offside the most times (total):
Bafetimbi Gomis – Swansea (31)
Marko Arnautovic – Stoke (17)
Diego Costa – Chelsea (15)
Jermain Defoe – Sunderland (15)
Sadio Mane – Southampton (15)

It's mad how often he's offside. The ones when he makes the run a tad too early I can deal with, but it's usually where he's ambling back from that offside position, or half-heartedly chasing down the keeper that drive us crazy. Extremely frustrating player.

[pink_triangle]

9 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

I think everybody outside City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham & Everton is only one bad season away from relegation.

We've got to be happy to accept that, look to go about getting enough results to stay up each season by playing good football, and then the occasional good cup run and maybe a foray into Europe every 4-5 years would be a realistic goal I feel. These are fine achievements for a club our size.

Improvement off the pitch is also important, I think staying in the PL is vital to this (Stadium expansion, better commercial department) as wages take up something like 80% of our revenue at the moment, and some aspects of the club are still at a League 1 standard.

To me the big thing for a club like Swansea is to run the club in a way that it can absorb a relegation, because the likelyhood is whether it takes 1, 5 or 10 seasons that Swansea will eventually be relegated.  The likes of West Ham, West Brom and Norwich always seem to bounce up, but many more struggle.

[eFestivals]

25 minutes ago, mrtourette said:

On the subject of Gomis did anyway see the F365 half-way stats?

Caught offside the most times (total):
Bafetimbi Gomis – Swansea (31)
Marko Arnautovic – Stoke (17)
Diego Costa – Chelsea (15)
Jermain Defoe – Sunderland (15)
Sadio Mane – Southampton (15)

those other players have all been bit parts while I don't think Gomis has been - so he's looking worse against those than he'd otherwise look.

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

those other players have all been bit parts while I don't think Gomis has been - so he's looking worse against those than he'd otherwise look.

Arnautovic and Mane havent been bit parts

[mrtourette]

15 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

those other players have all been bit parts while I don't think Gomis has been - so he's looking worse against those than he'd otherwise look.

Arnautovic a bit part?