Probs Download

[Harry3]

Text from my mate who is there:

2 lads in tent next to us have had problems but no issue for us. Few things on twitter, but looks blown out of proportion.

Assumed as much

Youre always gonna have a few issues with systems like this but I think in this case its the Daily Fail up to their usual clickbaiting

[Titters2]

Can anyone explain the perceived benefit to this system if it works correctly?

Is it meant to make thing faster? Safer?

Or just a front for data collection??

[Notmegov]

Can anyone explain the perceived benefit to this system if it works correctly?

Is it meant to make thing faster? Safer?

Or just a front for data collection??

Its all about money for the festival. They are now tracking how much each stall sells and are charging a percentage of the turn over plus pitch fees.

[blackred]

Can anyone explain the perceived benefit to this system if it works correctly?

Is it meant to make thing faster? Safer?

Or just a front for data collection??

The last one.

[Tigerdragon]

Can anyone explain the perceived benefit to this system if it works correctly?

Is it meant to make thing faster? Safer?

Or just a front for data collection??

My guess is its an attempt to eliminate cash theft. If someone steals cash from you at a festival, unless you catch them immediately, they're away and there's no way to trace them. Happened to me at T in the Park 2012.

[blackred]

My guess is its an attempt to eliminate cash theft. If someone steals cash from you at a festival, unless you catch them immediately, they're away and there's no way to trace them. Happened to me at T in the Park 2012.

Theres a pretty effective cashless system already, most people use it everyday.

[FloorFiller]

My guess is its an attempt to eliminate cash theft. If someone steals cash from you at a festival, unless you catch them immediately, they're away and there's no way to trace them. Happened to me at T in the Park 2012.

so you're saying, if i steal somebody's dog tag, i should buy as much as i can on it all at once before the person reports it stolen..

[Tigerdragon]

Theres a pretty effective cashless system already, most people use it everyday.

I've worked at busy events that try to use card machines. Absolute nightmare because the things need signal. Can only imagine at festivals - especially glastonbury - that are already dense enough to much around with texts - that this would lead to problems all of its own.

[Tigerdragon]

so you're saying, if i steal somebody's dog tag, i should buy as much as i can on it all at once before the person reports it stolen..

At what point did I say that?

[Slugworth]

The real problems at Download:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/11/download_festival_big_brother_playground_leicestershire_police/

I don't understand what they're trying to achieve by it. To catch someone who may choose to go to Download who may have a warrant out for their arrest?

It's bonkers.

[FloorFiller]

At what point did I say that?

right here

If you steal somebody's dog tag you should buy as much as you can on it all at once before the person reports it stolen.

[blackred]

I've worked at busy events that try to use card machines. Absolute nightmare because the things need signal. Can only imagine at festivals - especially glastonbury - that are already dense enough to much around with texts - that this would lead to problems all of its own.

Its on a racetrack, not a farm. The infrastructure to get over these issues is already in place.

This system doesn't eliminate cash, the site is full of machines that allow you to top up your 'dog tag' with cash (notes only). I think Notmegov has explained the reason for this system, plus the added benefit of all that lovely, lovely consumer data.

[Titters2]

Doesn't sound like it really solves any safety concerns if dog tags can be stolen.

Smells of control and data collection... And as there's no alternative, what can the punters do?

Dislike.

[Slugworth]

Doesn't sound like it really solves any safety concerns if dog tags can be stolen.

Smells of control and data collection... And as there's no alternative, what can the punters do?

Dislike.

This is the problem i have with it. It should be choice not compulsory.

[Tigerdragon]

Doesn't sound like it really solves any safety concerns if dog tags can be stolen.

Smells of control and data collection... And as there's no alternative, what can the punters do?

Dislike.

But why would you steal a dog tag? You can only buy download stuff and beers... It takes the incentive away from serial, calculated thieves.

Plus, the damage that can be done on a dogtag before it's reported stolen is far, far less than if all your cash for the festi.

Its exactly the same reason we use credit cards. They can be stolen, too, and they help data collectors. Think of the dog tag as a Download festival only debit card, that's not protected by pin, compulsory, and can stop working at any moment.

Not sinister, just shit.

Edited June 11, 2015 by Tigerdragon

[ltfckimbo]

As if these companies give a flying fcuk about cash theft.

Edited June 11, 2015 by ltfckimbo

[Tigerdragon]

As if these companies give a flying fcuk about cash thefts.

I imagine Download festival's organisers probably care?

[Titters2]

I can see how it would be part of the considerations...

But is it the ONLY reason, considering the costs involved in installing auce a system?

[Tigerdragon]

I can see how it would be part of the considerations...

But is it the ONLY reason, considering the costs involved in installing auce a system?

No, I accept that being able to use your data is handy too. Bit like a clubcard I guess?

[Titters2]

And a clubcard is optional.

If it was done in tandem with a cash or card system it would be a little less..... Big Brothery, and may well be the preferred option for some punters.

[Northern-Monkey]

Its on a racetrack, not a farm. The infrastructure to get over these issues is already in place.

This system doesn't eliminate cash, the site is full of machines that allow you to top up your 'dog tag' with cash (notes only). I think Notmegov has explained the reason for this system, plus the added benefit of all that lovely, lovely consumer data.

Its not on a race track, its on a field down from a race track now since some dodgy con artist/dreamer ripped up the middle of the course. Its also further from the furthest campsite to the arena than any campsite is from any stage at Glastonbury, 1.25 miles which is rediculous not just because of the distance but because that's the family camping site!

Oddly the token system used for the past what 15 years? Has never caused any issues!

Also, does this system credit back the 20p paper cup deposits they previously insisted on back to your account?

[Northern-Monkey]

I imagine Download festival's organisers probably care?

I don't!...

[Mardy]

Man alive, never mind the cashless system, the trek from the camping, the dogtags, the rfid tracking, i think i've uncovered the real shocking, shameful problem. just look at this. Britain 2015

Edited June 12, 2015 by Mardy

[eFestivals]

I imagine Download festival's organisers probably care?

Why would they, particularly? Theft is a fact of life, not just at Download.

It's important for the licence that crime is not out of control, but the measure they make is against the real world rather than the perfect world.

They have no responsibility for cash in someone's pocket. In contrast, they're not choosing to take personal responsibility for everyone's money via these wristbands lightly - so there'll need to be a fucking big pay-off for Download for doing so.

Which of course gets to mean that you're paying for them to help fleece you better.

[Perks]

Man alive, never mind the cashless system, the trek from the camping, the dogtags, the rfid tracking, i think i've uncovered the real shocking, shameful problem. just look at this. Britain 2015

FNM, KISS, Marilyn Manson, Enter Shikari, Slipnot, Slash, Judas Priest, Muse Some quality bands there. Great live acts too. Undercard I'm not so sure of, the few I know and have seen are decent acts. Shocking and shameful. Disagree. Think that award goes to the V Fest dude