Common Ground Cafe

[russycarps]

Oh really? This has surprised me again, any examples? I'm intrigued

[Mr.Tease]

well they are against same sex marriage, so I surmise they hate the gays (like most religions)

[Pink_Tequila]

http://www.methodist.org.uk/ssmcpworkinggroup

The Methodist Church is still looking at these issues.

What other abhorrent views are held by Methodism ?... One of the most radical church denominations from a history of

Non conformism.

[Octave Doctor]

Looks like this thread is reverting to previous years discussions after all..I was just wondering if they would be back making great pancakes... ( FYI for what it's worth I believe any religion is completely and utterly ridiculous - and in most cases very dangerous as well. PS I'm the bloke in the Richard Dawkins t shirt

[Octave Doctor]

Yeah, that's where Hitler went wrong- if only he'd made delicious pancakes, his views and actions would have been more acceptable.

[Mr.Tease]

Sadly - even despite Hitlers apparent complete inability to make decent pancakes - the Germans voted him into power in a democratic election - so a whole nation can actually be fooled by completely evil views and actions. Not really sure where that leaves my pancake dilemma

[Mr.Tease]

Looks like this thread is reverting to previous years discussions after all..I was just wondering if they would be back making great pancakes... ( FYI for what it's worth I believe any religion is completely and utterly ridiculous - and in most cases very dangerous as well. PS I'm the bloke in the Richard Dawkins t shirt

[FloorFiller]

never gone looking for them myself but surely there's another stall on site that sells pancakes that isn't spouting horrible racism / homophobia etc!?

[rexclark]

Wouldn't give the bigots a penny of my money.

[Dog Burger]

From the link above "The cafe was a popular meeting point at this year's Glastonbury festival, where sect members gave out literature attacking multiculturalism and blaming Jews for the "murder" of Jesus."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jul/05/religion.glastonbury2000

[Chimps in Balaclavas]

Never knew this, but I've never been in there. Scumbags!

[russycarps]

I'll be honest, as someone who's the product of 'mixing the races', which according to the Common Ground Cafe cult is akin to promoting the anti Christ, it does bother me that you shop there, and it does bother me that you and StoneCircle find their pancakes more important than them promoting their racist views, and that I'm somehow boring you by raising my objections to their views.

[sparkythetortoise]

well they are against same sex marriage, so I surmise they hate the gays (like most religions)

[russycarps]

Your comment really bothered me. Although I am not a person of faith myself, I have a great deal of respect for Eavis. The idea that he would have abhorrent views (religious or not) hits at the heart of the Glastonbury vibe for me, and is a big deal. If true, then fair enough, but surely not something to be said lightly. So I looked it up. Here's a summary of British Methodists views of gay folk, as copied and pasted from Wiki

"At the annual Methodist Conference in 1993 in Derby, following long debate at all levels of the Church's life on the basis of a detailed report, the British Methodist Church considered the issues of human sexuality. The Derby Conference in 1993 passed a series of Resolutions which still stand…

...Conference recognises, affirms and celebrates the participation and ministry of lesbians and gay men in the church. Conference calls on the Methodist people to begin a pilgrimage of faith to combat repression and discrimination, to work for justice and human rights and to give dignity and worth to people whatever their sexuality"

That seems fairly clear to me.

With regard to gay marriage - the recent legislation obliges the Anglican Church to marry gay people, as the Church of England is the state religion. As Methodists fall outside the law, they are free to decide for themselves. They are currently debating what to do, which is surely appropriate. All change should be discussed, surely, even those things where you, or I for that matter, feel there is an obvious right answer.

Edited May 15, 2014 by russycarps

[stuartbert two hats]

Yes it bothers me too, that so much of the world is dictated and oppressed by made-up fairy stories.

They have been "currently debating" for months and months and months.

I trust you are aware that the Methodist church itself admits to 200 years of institutional racism and discrimination?

"Racism has lived like a malignancy in the bone marrow of this church for years''

That seems fairly clear to me.

[sparkythetortoise]

Yes it bothers me too, that so much of the world is dictated and oppressed by made-up fairy stories.

They have been "currently debating" for months and months and months.

I trust you are aware that the Methodist church itself admits to 200 years of institutional racism and discrimination?

"Racism has lived like a malignancy in the bone marrow of this church for years''

That seems fairly clear to me.

[stuartbert two hats]

I do agree that the leadership is full of shit by not moving with the law. Doesn't necessarily follow that all members of that church are bigots though.

[kingjamma]

If it's pancakes people are after, I highly recommend going to the Beat Hotel, I had them last year and they were amazing! That way people are getting great pancakes without supporting the people who run Common Ground Cafe, win win for all I'd say

Edited May 15, 2014 by kingjamma

[Sawdusty surfer]

A few years ago I picked up a hitch hiker on the M5 who had just 'escaped' from the Twelve Tribes place just up the hill from us on The Blackdowns. He seemed pretty traumatised and although I don't remember the exact details, he said it was a pretty rum setup.

The twelve Tribes do run the CG cafe.

This was reported last autumn.

From the article below. “Those kids are beaten for anything and everything; they are taught to be 100 per cent obedient. If that means a child is told to sit still and they move then, by the community’s standard you then have to take that child out and beat it,” she said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/twelve-tribes-community-nspcc-demands-police-inquiry-into-christian-sect-that-canes-children-8847622.html?origin=internalSearch

I do hope they are not back at Glastonbury this year.

[Mardy]

Glorious mix of personal abuse, theological discussion and pancake recommendations on this thread. Great work.

[Starchild771]

According to these guys white people like Beethoven and black people like reggae and something called rap, therefore it's in everyone's interest that we keep the cultures separate so people don't have to needlessly suffer the grating syncopation and violence of this so called rap whilst listening to Beethoven.

They are plonkers, that is all.

Michael Eavis, if you are reading this, can you please set them up in the middle of Silver Hayes so they can fully experience the multicultural sound-bleed from all the stages whilst they serve their pancakes.

(Warning - the views held in this article are moronic)

http://twelvetribes.org/node/78

"Consider the rich young Yuppie in his multicultural neighborhood, sitting in his living room ready to enjoy an evening of classical music. Tonight it’s Beethoven. From one side of his house comes the throbbing bass of his neighbor’s stereo as they gather out back for some reggae. The house shudders to every note, while on the other side of his house the neighbors fire up their barbecue and boom box, laughing raucously over the grating syncopation of something called rap. Fleeing from the violent lyrics, our Yuppie hero, himself a multicultural enthusiast, shuts the windows, grits his idealistic teeth and dons his headphones, trying to convince himself that all music is good."

Edited May 15, 2014 by Starchild771

[stuartbert two hats]

Glorious mix of personal abuse, theological discussion and pancake recommendations on this thread. Great work.

[CaledonianGonzo]

And Jesus called his disciples to him and said:

"I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way."

His disciples answered:

"Where could we get enough pancakes in this remote place to feed such a crowd?"

"How many pancakes do you have?" Jesus asked.

"Seven," they replied, "and a few cans of scrumpy."

[Starchild771]

Double post

Edited May 15, 2014 by Starchild771

[jeffie]

According to these guys white people like Beethoven and black people like reggae and something called rap, therefore it's in everyone's interest that we keep the cultures separate so people don't have to needlessly suffer the grating syncopation and violence of this so called rap whilst listening to Beethoven.

They are plonkers, that is all.

Michael Eavis, if you are reading this, can you please set them up in the middle of Silver Hayes so they can fully experience the multicultural sound-bleed from all the stages whilst they serve their pancakes.

(Warning - the views held in this article are moronic)

http://twelvetribes.org/node/78

"Consider the rich young Yuppie in his multicultural neighborhood, sitting in his living room ready to enjoy an evening of classical music. Tonight it’s Beethoven. From one side of his house comes the throbbing bass of his neighbor’s stereo as they gather out back for some reggae. The house shudders to every note, while on the other side of his house the neighbors fire up their barbecue and boom box, laughing raucously over the grating syncopation of something called rap. Fleeing from the violent lyrics, our Yuppie hero, himself a multicultural enthusiast, shuts the windows, grits his idealistic teeth and dons his headphones, trying to convince himself that all music is good."