Rightfield

[Somersetsun]

The MPs caught out over their expenses could form a fiddle band.

[hedgepeg]

john redwood on the theremin

[fur_q]

Didn't call the Nazis left wing, was pointing out the fact that they didn't fit the Right Wing definition used, didn't call Stalin a socialist either. Trying to point out that the Left / Right terminology is meaningless.

Edited May 11, 2013 by fur_q

[king of carott flowers]

I have read that last post 3 times and still havent a clue what it says.......Its like pub talk with a bunch of student w*nkers back in the 80's...but dont worry, i have an idea...lets have a party!!

[gizmoman]

But the nazis did fit accepted definitions of the term 'right wing' they may have advocated rapid change but that was on the back of an ideology that suggested previous changes where wrong and should be rescinded. Everything about narzi ideology was backward looking (to a falsely perceived past).

Right left terminology is no more meaningless than the use of any other nouns we have an established view of what is right or left in political terms and with a reasonable degree of critical analysis we are able to use the terminology to effectively judge what political movement fall into what category. Just because some non left wing politicians have subverted these terms for their own ends does not make the terms themselves irrelevant.

[hedgepeg]

make love not war

[fur_q]

Now you are confusing me, does non left wing mean right wing or is there some centre ground group subverting political terms?, don't so called left wingers also use terms such as 'extreme right wing' to try to discredit the opposition (whether accurate or not)? It's all part of the political game and distracts people from discussing the issues.

[gizmoman]

Can you cite any examples of politicians using the term 'extreme right wing' when that term has not been justified.

[fur_q]

You don't think the term is EVER justified?

Hitler, Pinochet?

I'd certainly say some of UKIP's Policies are on the extreme end of the right/left spectrum not as far as Hitler or Pinochet, granted, but if you read some of their policy documents I'd definitly say its towards the extreme end of what is considered to be right wing.

[pedmills]

I see Godwin's Law has kicked in nice and early.

Edited May 11, 2013 by pedmills

[fur_q]

Godwin's Law is an ass

[gizmoman]

You don't think the term is EVER justified?

Hitler, Pinochet?

I'd certainly say some of UKIP's Policies are on the extreme end of the right/left spectrum not as far as Hitler or Pinochet, granted, but if you read some of their policy documents I'd definitly say its towards the extreme end of what is considered to be right wing.

[fur_q]

I was carful to say that some, not all their policies are at the more extreme end of the political spectrum (as it stands in the UK) I don't believe this is shutting down debate or criticising it as it is possible to objectively criticise a policy and point out where in the political spectrum it lies. Just dining the latter without the former is not a good thing to do but that doesn't invalidate the latter.

[LondonTom]

Sssshhhhh, Sugar Tits, I'm here. I'm not one to blow my own trumpet, even though I can but I did a 'Rightfield' thread three or four years ago. Meet you there ;-)

[eFestivals]

I like the festival because it always seems to have the best line up of any festival

And it gets the best lineup because it is a social enterprise and not a commercial enterprise.

[wilko8]

And it gets the best lineup because it is a social enterprise and not a commercial enterprise.

[eFestivals]

Option c: you make a full consideration of all of the facts to arrive at the correct answer and not a dogma-led one.

[Witty username here]

Option c: you make a full consideration of all of the facts to arrive at the correct answer and not a dogma-led one.

[Buff124]

I'd like to give you all a piece of my mind, in a self-righteous, ego gratifying manner, by writing screeds of generalised stereotypical mush, but its Sunday morning and I can't be bothered. Hope that's okay.

PS - you do realise its more about authoritarianism vs libertarianism than left wing vs right wing ? Stalin was left wing authoritarian fer instance, whilst Nelson Mandela was/is left wing libertarian. Like to think of Glasto as being the left wing libertarian too.

PPS - Sorry. Couldn't help a quick scramble onto the soapbox.

[eFestivals]

I'd rather doubt that most artists dwell too heavily on the social enterprise aspect of the festival when making a decision to perform (some would, of course!). There's a momentum to Glastonbury that operates independently of it's ethos - scale, prestige, history, exposure, etc would probably trump the Eavis's social/political intent.

1. the bigger artists don't have much choice but to dwell on it, given that they're being offered much less money than they'd otherwise be getting. They have to think about why that is, and whether they still feel it's worth doing for that lesser amount than they could get elsewhere.

Most don't get on TV. Most don't get a massive sales surge. The best most get out of it - along with helping good causes - is being able to say "I played Glastonbury".

2. the festival has got to this position because of its social conscience and not in spite of it.

Glastonbury is far from perfect, but it's a lot more perfect than what else is on offer of the same scale. Those other festivals cannot achieve the same despite having bottomless pits of money to offer - bribe - people to their fully-commercial free-market profit-taking (right wing) methods of operation.

As I said many pages back which is without doubt true... if nothing else, the right-wingers cannot throw anything like the best party. It's not like they haven't tried and are not still trying.

Edited May 12, 2013 by eFestivals

[Witty username here]

Most don't get on TV. Most don't get a massive sales surge.

[formed a band]

Funny !

[James Bolivar]

Haha! I love the way lefties use language like this. Because your ideas are "progressive" and right wing ideals are "regressive", right?

LOL.

[James Bolivar]

I have read that last post 3 times and still havent a clue what it says.......Its like pub talk with a bunch of student w*nkers back in the 80's...but dont worry, i have an idea...lets have a party!!

[love_music_hate_xfactor]

Glastonbury is far from perfect, but it's a lot more perfect than what else is on offer of the same scale. Those other festivals cannot achieve the same despite having bottomless pits of money to offer - bribe - people to their fully-commercial free-market profit-taking (right wing) methods of operation.