2013 Headliners

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

I hate the whole "you've got to speak to the crowd after every song, call and response, sing along". I don't pay 90 quid to hear the band talk to me. Look what it does for The Prodigy and how tiresome it gets. I don't really see the justification for making "inane chatter about bullshit" a criteria for being a good live act. In the same way you wouldn't see Girls Aloud going out with mood lighting and smash out tracks the way The Cure did, they're not going to go out skipping, dancing and waving the way other acts do because it doesn't suit their music.

I don't understand how you can say the setlist was dull when it basically included everything other than Pictures Of You, Disintegration and Fascination Street, and its obvious from watching the footage they loved it. They also spoke to crowd a handful of times, including Robert actually explaining why he doesn't speak.

I can appreciate a good show man, but at the end of the day, im there to hear the music. I can go and see Robbie Williams be a good show man, but he's not going to play From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea is he?

Edited January 20, 2013 by thesecretingredientiscrime

[DJL]

For the cure to headline the pyramid they'd have to play an abbreviated set of purely greatest hits for it to really go down well - can't see them being given 3 hours on the pyramid because high numbers of people would get bored and leave if they did. They have the songs but the crowd interaction is lacking and, on the two occasions i've seen them, they didn't sound great. It would also mean having a headliner fairly recently after both reading and (the significantly smaller) bestival.

[mattgimmeshelter]

I hate the whole "you've got to speak to the crowd after every song, call and response, sing along". I don't pay 90 quid to hear the band talk to me. Look what it does for The Prodigy and how tiresome it gets. I don't really see the justification for making "inane chatter about bullshit" a criteria for being a good live act. In the same way you wouldn't see Girls Aloud going out with mood lighting and smash out tracks the way The Cure did, they're not going to go out skipping, dancing and waving the way other acts do because it doesn't suit their music.

I don't understand how you can say the setlist was dull when it basically included everything other than Pictures Of You, Disintegration and Fascination Street, and its obvious from watching the footage they loved it. They also spoke to crowd a handful of times, including Robert actually explaining why he doesn't speak.

I can appreciate a good show man, but at the end of the day, im there to hear the music. I can go and see Robbie Williams be a good show man, but he's not going to play From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea is he?

[Gregcharlie]

It's just like, you have no connection with the people on stage.

[mattgimmeshelter]

They're playing music to you aren't they? And hopefully you're doing the decent thing of actually listening and watching them do it.

Probably trying to make as few mistakes as possible so the songs actually sound as perfect as they possibly can be. You'd also think touring so much for so many years saying the same thing between every song would get a little tedious for them so they probably don't bother any more because it would just sound false.

Yeah you have to suffer good music for them to play that second set of so called hits.

[Gregcharlie]

Opinions

[Guest]

The Cure were outstanding at Leeds last year, but they aren't right for Glasto, they weren't even right for R&L as far as the tastes of most of the clientele goes, but fuck the 16 y/os because I got to see Bob and co smash out a brilliant show.

[Sketchead]

May as well have my input, The Cure bored me shitless at Optimus Alive last year, and I'm a fan of them.

[DJL]

Talking between the songs is one element of a live act. It's important to some (but not all) and, whilst no great live act is such simply because of it, it can help. If you don't have it, to be a popular pyramid headliner, i'd suggest you'd need a good enough setlist with minimal breaks between the songs to maintain the atmosphere.

If the cure were to play the sort of lengthy set they tend to with lots of lesser well known (though i'm sure very good) tracks i think they'd lose the attention of half of the pyramid crowd (which you could argue is a reflection on the stage as much as anything else) and the atmosphere would be affected. That may not bother everyone but it would me - part of my enjoyment of glastonbury is the feeling you get in being in a crowd enjoying theevent - so i'd be elsewhere...

[Guest]

I think they'd bore a lot of people shitless, it's not for everybody. I enjoyed it so much because I went to Leeds to see The Cure basically, they aren't a festival band. They put on a fantastic show, but one for the fans.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Agreed, you don't have to speak to the crowd all the time, but not speaking at all is terrible. It's just like, you have no connection with the people on stage. They all looked bored as fuck, and none of the band looked like they enjoyed themselves and that feeling spread to the audience. I stayed for the majority of the set, but then after 2 hours of just cranked out songs. I thought screw it, lets go watch the maccabees!

[Vieuphoria]

I think Robert Smith has a tremendous connection with crowds. The little he does say is heartfelt and sincere, and you can tell he's enjoying himself when he's dancing about doing his best dad-dance.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Talking between the songs is one element of a live act. It's important to some (but not all) and, whilst no great live act is such simply because of it, it can help. If you don't have it, to be a popular pyramid headliner, i'd suggest you'd need a good enough setlist with minimal breaks between the songs to maintain the atmosphere.

If the cure were to play the sort of lengthy set they tend to with lots of lesser well known (though i'm sure very good) tracks i think they'd lose the attention of half of the pyramid crowd (which you could argue is a reflection on the stage as much as anything else) and the atmosphere would be affected. That may not bother everyone but it would me - part of my enjoyment of glastonbury is the feeling you get in being in a crowd enjoying theevent - so i'd be elsewhere...

[Guest]

I'll take Bob actually playing his songs like a pro over Dave Grohl gushing with sycophantic "thank you guys for coming, you are so fucking beautiful, thank you for coming to see me, thank you for jerking off my ego, thank you for being dense enough to enjoy this shit, thank you for perpetuating this circle jerk of retards, you are all fucking awwwwweeeeeesomeeeeeee!" any day of the week.

[Mardy]

I saw the Cure last year and it was deadly dull. Every song had the same dynamic. Fat Bob can write a blinding pop tune when he turns his hand to it, but there was well over two hours of dreadful mid tempo dirge before he deigned to play something to get the crowd going. If you're into the Cure, it's probably just like heaven, but for the uncommmited, it's a bit of an endurance test.

[DJL]

If you have to rely on crowd interaction to top up your act, I'd suggest there's something seriously wrong with your live act.

I'd say it would be completely different at Glastonbury than R/L for several reasons. It won't happen anyway.

[Englishdragon]

Take it with a pinch of salt but I was reading T3 magazine today and they had a things to look forward in 2013 bit

Daft punk was in it and they put something like "first new non soundtrack album in 8 years, 2013 will be big for daft punk. Glastonbury festival awaits"

[Guest]

I'll take it with a pinch of bullshit.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

The thing is though, both Pulp and Elbow suit that type of interaction. The Cure don't. You wouldn't expect similar types of acts to do the same. When you're trying to create a slightly melancholic type of mood, it doesn't really work if you're chatting to the crowd every ten minutes telling them how much you love them.

The greatest criticism I can make, and its basically in line with what was being said earlier, is their setlist choice was poor for a casual. If they had the setlist in a better order, it would have been much more beneficial.

Basically what Mardy was saying.

Edited January 20, 2013 by thesecretingredientiscrime

[Englishdragon]

I'll take it with a pinch of bullshit.

[dirty_dog]

bout time we had another daft punk thread

[mattgimmeshelter]

I don't think daft punk will play glastonbury

However coachella may be in grasp for them, it's been aching to happen. Plus coachella have the money to book micheal jacksons grave as a headline set!

[Guest]

The thing is though, both Pulp and Elbow suit that type of interaction. The Cure don't. You wouldn't expect similar types of acts to do the same. When you're trying to create a slightly melancholic type of mood, it doesn't really work if you're chatting to the crowd every ten minutes telling them how much you love them.

[DJL]

The thing is though, both Pulp and Elbow suit that type of interaction. The Cure don't. You wouldn't expect similar types of acts to do the same. When you're trying to create a slightly melancholic type of mood, it doesn't really work if you're chatting to the crowd every ten minutes telling them how much you love them.

The greatest criticism I can make, and its basically in line with what was being said earlier, is their setlist choice was poor for a casual. If they had the setlist in a better order, it would have been much more beneficial.

Basically what Mardy was saying.

[abdoujaparov]

Nobody comes out of a Kraftwerk or, fittingly, a Daft Punk show saying the crowd interaction was bullshit.