Football 2010-2011

[ampersand]

what sort of contract was he on though? if it was a case of the big bosses wanting him down, why not just let his contract run?

and what's the story about him suing the notw. heard about it but don't actually know the details....

[TheGayTent]

Gotta get off to St Andrews.

Ampersand - to do with phone hacking

[worm]

Those sorts of things would have been far more acceptable back in '92 than they are now.

[worm]

because Sky hasn't got a clue about what is good and what isn't, across its whole platform (not just footie). It's lowest-common-denominator stuff.

[eFestivals]

I dunno like, 92 was fairly politically charged unlike the apathy we see in abundance now.

It's f**k all to do with "politically charged", and everything to do with what language and actions are seen as acceptable within society.

Back in '92 there'd have been few people who would have had much fear about hitting on a work colleague, or being suggestive about them. The same is not true now.

Back in '92 the sort of sexism (particularly in regard to football) that Gray displayed would have been the absolute norm: woman's football had only been 'legal' for 20 years, it's life-span has now doubled.

Back in '92, the number of females with an interest in football - and so the number of people with an interest in the game - which would have been offended by such actions will have been significantly lower than it is now.

As ever, you're wildly factually wrong.

[eFestivals]

You clearly don't watch Sky Arts.

I don't have to watch it to know that it's remaking old format shows in a lower form.

[lharris92]

im heading off to birmingham in a couple of hours... not a bad journey for me from uni

[Steve P]

I don't have to watch it to know that it's remaking old format shows in a lower form.

[worm]

As ever, you're wildly factually wrong.

Edited January 26, 2011 by worm

[eFestivals]

Not that I make a habit of agreeing with worm, but he's bang right on this. Sky Arts is one of the best channels there is IMO

So it might be (IYO). That doesn't alter the fact that it's remaking old format shows in a lower form.

And it's remaking those shows in a lower form because it only does lowest common denominator stuff.

[worm]

So it might be (IYO). That doesn't alter the fact that it's remaking old format shows in a lower form.

Edited January 26, 2011 by worm

[The Nal]

So it might be (IYO). That doesn't alter the fact that it's remaking old format shows in a lower form.

And it's remaking those shows in a lower form because it only does lowest common denominator stuff.

Edited January 26, 2011 by The Nal

[eFestivals]

In 92 you'd have been far more likely to have been burned for such things,

utter bullshit.

'92 was the height of the anti-feminist backlash, when the booking of strippers by student unions became prevalent again. How do I know? Because I was a part of the faction that tried fighting back that year, to little effect.

as the template for a brand of football that incorporated sexual equality was beginning construction under Sky.

utter bullshit.

It started at least two years earlier. It was prevalent at WC '90.

I reckon it's because Sky have adopted a relaxed culture and this has been the result.

I reckon it's because Sky is run by morons and bought by morons.

I know it's run by morons. I was interviewed by morons and offered VERY highly paid jobs by morons, who were told to f**k off because I wouldn't work for morons.

[eFestivals]

Nah its good Neil, very good.

Does it or does it not remake old format arts shows in lower form?

There's only one correct answer.

[The Nal]

Does it or does it not remake old format arts shows in lower form?

There's only one correct answer.

[eFestivals]

What does "in lower form" mean?

less high-brow. It's chav arts compared to even what ITV used to manage, As shown by Sky's use of some same-format-as-ITV shows.

[The Nal]

less high-brow. It's chav arts compared to even what ITV used to manage, As shown by Sky's use of some same-format-as-ITV shows.

[eFestivals]

But that doesnt make it bad.

I didn't say it was 'bad', I said it's lowest common denominator stuff. And it is.

They put on the likes of Woodstock - shown a million times before - because they know there's an audience for it, not because it's worthy as pushing forwards as 'art'.

[ampersand]

Ah ok. Well, they show a lot of old films/gigs etc, The Whos Kids Are Alright, Woodstock and the like. Not sure how much new shows they actually make. But that doesnt make it bad. Theres always something on worth watching, which is more than I can saw for any of the four ITV or BBC channels. Unless you like Taggart or trains.

[worm]

less high-brow. It's chav arts compared to even what ITV used to manage, As shown by Sky's use of some same-format-as-ITV shows.

[worm]

I didn't say it was 'bad', I said it's lowest common denominator stuff. And it is.

[Ed209]

Richard Keys has been hanging himself on Talksport for the last hour. He claimed responsibility for getting the female presenters their job. Richard ... shhhh

[eFestivals]

They just want to represent it as part of the heritage of the arts.

something they do in preference to doing new and more relevant stuff.

When they do do newer and more relevant stuff, it's often lowest common denominator versions of old format shows.

[eFestivals]

Richard Keys has been hanging himself on Talksport for the last hour. He claimed responsibility for getting the female presenters their job. Richard ... shhhh

just had a munch in front of the TV, with Sky's "breaking news" being the story of how both Keys and Gray have made a full public apology.

[jump]

just had a munch in front of the TV, with Sky's "breaking news" being the story of how both Keys and Gray have made a full public apology.