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51 minutes ago, doogie said:

 

We can't assume they will as it's rightly a high bar, and it's particularly emotive when directed at the Jewish state, given the tragic history of the Jews over the years.

 

I agree Netanyahu is a c**t, but he's no worse than a lot of other c**t leaders around the world.

Also .he happens to be someone who is an ally, someone the west supports...which makes the liberal western democracies look even more self serving, barbaric colonialists than they already did.

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8 hours ago, steviewevie said:

yes, diplomacy...which is exactly what is need in Syria at this delicate time...not land grab and blow up all their weapons.

 

They need calming influences from the outside. Because you can see why the nations closest to this are acting like they are.

 

The last thing they need is outsiders (like yourself?) taking sides and escalating matters.

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4 minutes ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

They need calming influences from the outside. Because you can see why the nations closest to this are acting like they are.

 

The last thing they need is outsiders (like yourself?) taking sides and escalating matters.

Like me? It isn't me who was bombing sites in Syria and taking more land in Golan heights just in case.

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On 12/11/2024 at 10:37 PM, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

If anyone is entitled to use that "excuse" at this moment in time, it's Israel. 



Ah yes, as the saying famously goes ’a preemptive eye for the eye that the other party may have been thinking about taking and the whole world has one eye, except for Israel, who has two and will bomb your entire extended family to oblivion if you even think about their eye’.

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31 minutes ago, mattiloy said:



Ah yes, as the saying famously goes ’a preemptive eye for the eye that the other party may have been thinking about taking and the whole world has one eye, except for Israel, who has two and will bomb your entire extended family to oblivion if you even think about their eye’.

 

That comment would hold more weight if Jews hadn't been consistently persecuted by these people. If you're saying they're completely unscathed by saying they have 2 eyes, then you need to educate yourself.

 

I'm not saying Israel is in the right. I'm saying I can see their point of view. To be honest, there isn't a "right" side to be on here. That's why neutral nations with cool heads need to de-escalate.

 

People shouldn't jump on a side like it's Vardy vs. Rooney, and the current trend is to support Vardy, or whatever. This is more important than that and deserves reverence.

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35 minutes ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

That comment would hold more weight if Jews hadn't been consistently persecuted by these people. If you're saying they're completely unscathed by saying they have 2 eyes, then you need to educate yourself.

 

I'm not saying Israel is in the right. I'm saying I can see their point of view. To be honest, there isn't a "right" side to be on here. That's why neutral nations with cool heads need to de-escalate.

 

People shouldn't jump on a side like it's Vardy vs. Rooney, and the current trend is to support Vardy, or whatever. This is more important than that and deserves reverence.


 

’These people’ - as far as I can tell the civilian population of gaza has not done much in the way of persecuting and yet, many of them are in fact, now quite literally without eyes, and that’s if they’re lucky.

 

Pretty clear that Israel is Rebecca Vardy. In the wrong and is gonna end up on the hook for a lot of dough in reparations after the eventual trials in The Hague.

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1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

What is clear is that aftermath of Oct 7th attack has been a disaster for Hamas, a disaster for the people of Gaza, a disaster for Hezbollah, and a disaster for Iran. Israel seem to be even stronger now, but even more disliked.

I don't think it has been a disaster for Hamas. Hamas don't care about the people of Gaza, and they wanted to provoke Israel into indiscriminate violence that would eencourage a new generation of recruits for Hamas. In many ways it's been an absolute success for them.

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16 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I don't think it has been a disaster for Hamas. Hamas don't care about the people of Gaza, and they wanted to provoke Israel into indiscriminate violence that would eencourage a new generation of recruits for Hamas. In many ways it's been an absolute success for them.

well if you look at in those terms...maybe so. But they've lost a lot of people, lost leaders, lost military hardware, lost support, lost control of Gaza.

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47 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well if you look at in those terms...maybe so. But they've lost a lot of people, lost leaders, lost military hardware, lost support, lost control of Gaza.

Well because of these reasons - particularly the death of several leaders - I do think Hezbollah has been severely damaged. But Hamas have never worried about deaths on their "side", as long as they can provoke Israel into provoking a new generation of recruits. Add in damaging Israel's international relations (eg the Irish embassy thing), and I think a lot of their leaders will be pretty satisfied with the trade.

 

Hamas aren't benevolent defenders of the people of Gaza - they're a terrorist group whose stated aim is the destruction of Israel. Given decreased sympathy for Israel internationally and another generation of recruits directly, I think they've gained a lot of what they wanted to.

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39 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Well because of these reasons - particularly the death of several leaders - I do think Hezbollah has been severely damaged. But Hamas have never worried about deaths on their "side", as long as they can provoke Israel into provoking a new generation of recruits. Add in damaging Israel's international relations (eg the Irish embassy thing), and I think a lot of their leaders will be pretty satisfied with the trade.

 

Hamas aren't benevolent defenders of the people of Gaza - they're a terrorist group whose stated aim is the destruction of Israel. Given decreased sympathy for Israel internationally and another generation of recruits directly, I think they've gained a lot of what they wanted to.

ok...well...probably. I get they're an idea...like Al Qaida or ISIS that cannot be completely destroyed, but like both of those they can be weakened so much that they are ineffective. In the unlikely chance that there is Palestinian self rule after this current conflict then maybe they could be involved, but they would have to do deals with Fatah in some power sharing thing which may be beyond them.

Anyway, I think any chance of a two state solution is probably gone for at least another generation, and Israel will probably have their military in Gaza for the foreseeable....any deal with Hamas involved in running things just won't be acceptable to them. 

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6 hours ago, mattiloy said:


 

’These people’ - as far as I can tell the civilian population of gaza has not done much in the way of persecuting and yet, many of them are in fact, now quite literally without eyes, and that’s if they’re lucky.

 

Pretty clear that Israel is Rebecca Vardy. In the wrong and is gonna end up on the hook for a lot of dough in reparations after the eventual trials in The Hague.

 

It must be nice to see the world through your eyes. Israel are the baddies. Everyone else are the goodies. Let's get em! Too many marvel films for you, I think.

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1 hour ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

It must be nice to see the world through your eyes. Israel are the baddies. Everyone else are the goodies. Let's get em! Too many marvel films for you, I think.


 

Its not nice. Because I see it for what it is- the completely unjustified massacre of innocents on a daily basis for over a year. And actually I find that rather unpleasant.

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10 hours ago, Neil said:

the conflicts kicked off then!

Ottoman empire had been there for hundreds of years and kept all those different groups in that area in check...it was WW1 and siding with the Germans that blew it. This is ignoring the odd genocide or two carried out by them.

After the Ottomans it was the British and French that kept it in check, then they got out and it's all been a big mess ever since.

Bring back empires I say.

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14 hours ago, mattiloy said:


 

Its not nice. Because I see it for what it is- the completely unjustified massacre of innocents on a daily basis for over a year. And actually I find that rather unpleasant.

Here we go again. Gazan civilians have paid a heavy price but there are two sides to this. 1100 people murdered on Oct 7. More raped and injured. 251 people abducted, 98 still unaccounted for, 34 of those believed to be dead. The Hamas fighters and hostages embedded within and underneath hospitals, schools and apartment blocks. Fuel and aid hijacked and diverted to the fighters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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