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[cellar]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Indeed it is. Looks like cellar was lying earlier on about me influencing his vote, shocking hey.

No idea how you made that correlation, but maybe it's just time to let it go 😉

(You're incorrect again by the way)

[mattiloy]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you know, I'm not sure, but I think I came across you on twatter some time ago. UK bloke living in Sweden having constant fights with people about Corbyn/Starmer/Israel and also posting arty pics of train stations. That you?

Dont think so. I have also come across another british leftist based on Stockholm on twitter though - he had the name rödlök for a while which means Red Onion in swedish.

I havent seen him on there for a while. I can have unfollowed him. It may surprise you to know that I find a lot of hardline Corbynistas a bit tedious tbh.

On twitter i am @alan_mc_dente if you’re curious.

I think you’ll be underwhelmed. I am an occasional retweeter but mainly a lurker. Its been a while since i was in a slagging match there.

Edited January 11, 2024 by mattiloy

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, cellar said:

No idea how you made that correlation, but maybe it's just time to let it go 😉

(You're incorrect again by the way)

I'm happy to leave it there, till you next decide to make something up anyway.

[Crazyfool01]

16 minutes ago, cellar said:

Maybe it's just because he comes across as more right wing? To be honest most everyone in the list is pretty centre anyway, but its just a bit of fun...

Although it does remind me of when they get the couples in Married At First Sight to rank the other couples 😂 Just asking for trouble!

Yeah absolutely a bit of fun , just interesting to see where people put people based on posts , no accuracy to it , all personal opinion . 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, cellar said:

No idea how you made that correlation, but maybe it's just time to let it go 😉

(You're incorrect again by the way)

Actually, I dunno why I brought it back up to be honest, sorry. Lets move on hey.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Yeah absolutely a bit of fun , just interesting to see where people put people based on posts , no accuracy to it , all personal opinion . 

I have to be careful what I say from now on. Need to move left for the rep.

f**king hate Starmer the tory nonce.

[mattiloy]

I think if we did one of those questionnaires, everybody in this thread would fall to the left of the Labour party anyway.

Most of the quarrel comes down to the fact that the electoral system means the choice is usually between quite sh*t and very sh*t. And then there are some who believe the best strategy is to settle for quite sh*t, and some who believe that by endlessly settling you tacitly condone the choice and it just goes on and on in perpetuity getting either rapidly worse, or less rapidly worse. Unless we get a hung parliament and we get PR. So vote green ✌️ 

Edited January 11, 2024 by mattiloy

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I think if we did one of those questionnaires, everybody in this thread would fall to the left of the Labour party anyway.

Most of the quarrel comes down to the fact that the electoral system means the choice is usually between quite sh*t and very sh*t. And then there are some who believe the best strategy is to settle for quite sh*t, and some who believe that by endlessly settling you tacitly condone the choice and it just goes on and on in perpetuity getting either rapidly worse, or less rapidly worse. Unless we get a hung parliament and we get PR. So vote green ✌️ 

Yeah that's kinda what I was saying earlier, because of FPTP you quite often aren't lucky enough to vote for the party that best aligns to your view. You have to vote for the least worst option, especially if you want to get the Tories out.

PR is the way forward and is more democratic. I hope that if Labour win the next election then heading into 2029 GE they put PR in their manifesto as a way to secure the votes of people that want it then implement it in the next Parliament before the Tories have a chance to come back in with a majority.

[Punksnotdead]

Actions speak louder, etc - I've been in a union all my adult life. I've marched with and collected for the miners. Same with the sacked GCHQ workers. I've been on strike 4 times & always been on the picket line. As far as I'm concerned, I'm very left wing.

Having said that, I'm backing Starmer, 'cos he's just got to be miles better than the shower of c**ts we've had to suffer for the last 13 years, right?

[cellar]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Actually, I dunno why I brought it back up to be honest, sorry. Lets move on hey.

Out of reactions, but thanks, and I apologise for my part too.

[mattiloy]

This quote about insanity being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I dont want to be 30 years from now, in my 60s, at the end of another 13 year Tory shitshow begrudgingly voting for another ham faced Blair tribute act so that I can get my free bus pass a year earlier or whatever the f**k. Its just not good enough. If you want things to change, you can’t passively accept whatever old shite they serve you up 

Edited January 11, 2024 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

This quote about insanity being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I dont want to be 30 years from now, in my 60s, at the end of another 13 year Tory shitshow begrudgingly voting for another ham faced Blair tribute act so that I can get my free bus pass a year earlier or whatever the f**k. Its just not good enough. If you want things to change, you can’t passively accept whatever old shite they serve you up 

You'll be a Tory 30 years from now. Happens to all of us. It's happening to me.

Only joking, I am very very left wing. Extreme leftie.

[Crazyfool01]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

You'll be a Tory 30 years from now. Happens to all of us. It's happening to me.

Only joking, I am very very left wing. Extreme leftie.

this could go on for some time 🙂 meanwhile emergency govt briefing tonite with the speaker , FFS cant we just stay out of conflicts 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

We haven't got much choice...  You understand how important the Suez Canal is don't you ?

yep I remember the boat stuck , a trip around takes 8 days now and things have slightly eased .  I guess people said that ref Iraq , never seems to sort anything . Im more about conflict resolution than bombing the sh*t out of everything ... not every country will get involved 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

this could go on for some time 🙂 meanwhile emergency govt briefing tonite with the speaker , FFS cant we just stay out of conflicts 

Global trade routes innit

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, cellar said:

Haha I love this... I'm not really sure about matiloy to be honest, it usually seems like he's talking academically in his posts so I never got a real sense of where he actually falls. I reckon Stevie is more left than he comes across.

Nobody, Skip, Crazy, me, Stevie, Fray, Barry, Neil, Ozanne, Lost

I guess based on other peoples rankings matiloy falls somewhere left of Stevie

Mattiloy the capitalist banker is not of the left. As a Corbyn fan he's of the daft.

I expect better political awareness than that by the real left.

[Neil]

34 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

This quote about insanity being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Like backing Corbyn.

34 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I dont want to be 30 years from now, in my 60s, at the end of another 13 year Tory shitshow begrudgingly voting for another ham faced Blair tribute act so that I can get my free bus pass a year earlier or whatever the f**k. Its just not good enough. If you want things to change, you can’t passively accept whatever old shite they serve you up 

As you did with Corbyn. No thinking done .

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

No because they lean on the USA to sort everything out.  The alternative is just give into the thugs.  Do you think you can talk and reason with Iran and Houthi scum ? 

not sure tbh but I dont think bombing the sh*t out of people / things helps further down the line 

[Neil]

The only ones in my lifetime not blairlike achieved f**k all useful 

[mattiloy]

21 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

this could go on for some time 🙂 meanwhile emergency govt briefing tonite with the speaker , FFS cant we just stay out of conflicts 

A little concerned that Sunak and Biden could both probably benefit from a good war in an election year where they’re struggling in the polls.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Would you have just talked with the Nazis ?   had tea with Slobodan Milošević ?

they had talks with the IRA .... think that was the Labour Party initially . Needs to start somewhere , although invading other countries is slightly different 

[mattiloy]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

Like backing Corbyn.

As you did with Corbyn. No thinking done .

Here comes the cavalry!

I dont know what your politics are. But incoherent rage tends to indicate something towards the right.

Why don’t you wipe the spit off your screen and chill out for once instead.

[Neil]

18 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

yep I remember the boat stuck , a trip around takes 8 days now and things have slightly eased .  I guess people said that ref Iraq , never seems to sort anything . Im more about conflict resolution than bombing the sh*t out of everything ... not every country will get involved 

Eight days of fuel is probably several hundred thousand quid . It's a hundred grand for my bruvs super yuaght.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

As always you evade the question 😛 

 

so answer yes if I could prevent further conflict and death of innocents on all sides