news & politics:discussion

[mattiloy]

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I guess that mirrors what happened in gen election in 2019.

[Guest]

 

[mattiloy]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

As it turned out they weren’t so good at the doing part.

A pity..

[Ryan1984]

Another nice bit of Tory sleaze: 

 

[eFestivals]

6 hours ago, mattiloy said:

 

As it turned out they weren’t so good at the doing part.

A pity..

They did loads just not the things you'd have liked them to do that had a realistic and deliverable program for govt very different to corbyns Christmas wish list.

[steviewevie]

38 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

They did loads just not the things you'd have liked them to do that had a realistic and deliverable program for govt very different to corbyns Christmas wish list.

More money got spent on health and education, eventually...but they continued the marketisation of public services. I guess the thinking was socialism was over and we just have to work with capitalism to make it kinder, but in the end that is impossible...capitalism doesn't give a crap.

 

[Guest]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/02/senior-tory-says-boris-johnson-should-resign-if-he-breached-ministerial-rules

Leader of Scottish Conservatives says PM should ‘of course’ quit if he has not been honest about payments for Downing Street refurb

[eFestivals]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

More money got spent on health and education, eventually...but they continued the marketisation of public services. I guess the thinking was socialism was over and we just have to work with capitalism to make it kinder, but in the end that is impossible...capitalism doesn't give a crap.

 

If by the marketisstoon you mean pfi that was how they got the money for loads of health care sruff if theyd have done it with tax rises they wouldn't have won as many elections and less would have got done. It was one of the ways that Blair avoided battles that couldn't be won. 

[Guest]

 

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[mattiloy]

 

[steviewevie]

[mattiloy]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

JC would easy av Starmer in a scrap

 

Hes in decent nick!

Edited May 3, 2021 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Interesting article about what labour needs to do to win again in places like Hartlepool...wave a flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/03/labours-lost-voters-clamour-belonging

[mattiloy]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Interesting article about what labour needs to do to win again in places like Hartlepool...wave a flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/03/labours-lost-voters-clamour-belonging

I don’t buy it. Corbyn is the communitarian left. His politics are parochial, he makes jam and rides a bike around Islington where he is deeply embedded in most aspects of the community. He is exactly of this mythical village Green preservation society, ’little England’y, society of the good type patriotism that this fella concocts.

And if its true, then Starmer and new new labour are a lurch back to the bad old days of soulless third way globalism. People hate that. Starmer was made by that production line and he stinks of it, no matter how much he waves a flag.

Personally, I think the only thing that matters in this country is the amplification of messaging via media and social media and the fact we have a shit electoral system.

So if by posing with a flag, Starmer shields himself from some of the media’s ire then its worth it so long as in doing it, the negative takes on social media are less ’loud’ in both audience and mood.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I don’t buy it. Corbyn is the communitarian left. His politics are parochial, he makes jam and rides a bike around Islington where he is deeply embedded in most aspects of the community. He is exactly of this mythical village Green preservation society, ’little England’y, society of the good type patriotism that this fella concocts.

And if its true, then Starmer and new new labour are a lurch back to the bad old days of soulless third way globalism. People hate that. Starmer was made by that production line and he stinks of it, no matter how much he waves a flag.

Personally, I think the only thing that matters in this country is the amplification of messaging via media and social media and the fact we have a shit electoral system.

So if by posing with a flag, Starmer shields himself from some of the media’s ire then its worth it so long as in doing it, the negative takes on social media are less ’loud’ in both audience and mood.

I think your perception of Corbyn might be slightly different to many others...

[steviewevie]

Anyway, it's not about Corbyn, or Starmer, it's about labour...they've been losing more and more of these types of voters over the last decade or two....it's just 2019 is when loads of those areas eventually went tory majority. And it looks like they may stay tory too.

[steviewevie]

Levelling up

Edited May 3, 2021 by steviewevie

[Guest]

Another poll showing the Tory lead has narrowed, it looks to be a trend now as more polls have shown this. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

vaccine bounce over?

[fraybentos1]

No way greens get 5 percent in an actual election imo. Probs nearer 2.