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[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

maybe they just want to fully govern themsleves...like they used to...

Does that apply universally in which case Texas and Bavaria are more countries than Scotland is

[steviewevie]

Just now, eFestivals said:

Does that apply universally in which case Texas and Bavaria are more countries than Scotland is

I don't know...maybe...but we're not talking about Texas and Bavaria.

[steviewevie]

Racel Reeves dares to talk about brexit...

 

[mcshed]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

...like they used to...

Err, when? I'm going to say we do better in terms of representation by sending our MPs to Westminster than your average Scot did in 1705?

[mattiloy]

23 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Cos if Scotland leaves it'll be because of bigger porkies being told than garage managed plus much more damaging to Scotland than brexit might be. If they're going to make that big decision it shouldn't be because of lies that serve no one but the liars.

And? Why do you care how a group of people that you don’t belong to do with their right to self determination even if their decision is based on what you perceive are untruths.

 

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

come on...I expect most English people want Scotland to stay in UK...for a start I consider myself more British than English...but I guess going to have to get used to the fact that being English is actually a thing. Plus, without Scotland makes forever tory government even more likely.

Plus again, the union jack is a pretty cool flag...mods and britpop and all that....and you only see the England flag outside racists' houses

My question is why some English people want that though, I think its interestinh. Seems so arbitrary. Just some inherited sense of entitlement to another country? Or more generously a feeling of brotherhood? Sure, but you also don’t demand your brother live in your house and obey your rules..

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Err, when? I'm going to say we do better in terms of representation by sending our MPs to Westminster than your average Scot did in 1705?

yep. 1705. The good old days.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

My question is why some English people want that though, I think its interestinh. Seems so arbitrary. Just some inherited sense of entitlement to another country? Or more generously a feeling of brotherhood? Sure, but you also don’t demand your brother live in your house and obey your rules..

I guess it's just what you're used to...the thought of UK and/or Britain breaking up is kind of existential...

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

I don't know...maybe...but we're not talking about Texas and Bavaria.

Indy supporters say "butscotland is a country," like the historical past gives it special rights now and into the future. They don't think thec same about Texas or bavRria. Which shows how their casis built on sand even in their own minds.

[eFestivals]

23 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

And? Why do you care how a group of people that you don’t belong to do with their right to self determination even if their decision is based on what you perceive are untruths.

 

My question is why some English people want that though, I think its interestinh. Seems so arbitrary. Just some inherited sense of entitlement to another country? Or more generously a feeling of brotherhood? Sure, but you also don’t demand your brother live in your house and obey your rules..

Still wants the keys to the house.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

Indy supporters say "butscotland is a country," like the historical past gives it special rights now and into the future. They don't think thec same about Texas or bavRria. Which shows how their casis built on sand even in their own minds.

butscotland?

bit rude.

[eFestivals]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yep. 1705. The good old days.

1705 when Scotland briefly had an empire before taking the biggest part in the British empire and profiting the most from it.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Indy supporters say "butscotland is a country," like the historical past gives it special rights now and into the future. They don't think thec same about Texas or bavRria. Which shows how their casis built on sand even in their own minds.

I'm not sure Scottish independence supporters are thinking too much about every other independence movement around the world. Each case is different, and should be treated differently. You know this though, right?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

1705 when Scotland briefly had an empire before taking the biggest part in the British empire and profiting the most from it.

I'm not sure that sort of argument is going to work too well for the unionist cause.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I'm not sure Scottish independence supporters are thinking too much about every other independence movement around the world. Each case is different, and should be treated differently. You know this though, right?

Yes but a past history as a country gives no future right bring back Wessex is what I say.

Edited April 7, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I'm not sure that sort of argument is going to work too well for the unionist cause.

It's fun tonridicule the narrative indy supporters like to have wherewere Scotland was only good and it was evil England that did the oppressive empire thing.

Edited April 7, 2021 by eFestivals

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

It's fun tonridicule the narrative indy supporters like to have where record were only good and it was evil England that did the oppressive empire thing.

yes, maybe fun to you...in an oppressive imperial sort of way....

[eFestivals]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yes, maybe fun to you...in an oppressive imperial sort of way....

But with less bullshit than comes from the average snipper.

[mattiloy]

27 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Yes but a past history as a country gives no future right bring back Wessex is what I say.

Does this not also apply to every country that has ever gained independence then? India, Canada, Jamaica, Ireland should have just accepted their fate as dominions of the British crown?

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Does this not also apply to every country that has ever gained independence then? India, Canada, Jamaica, Ireland should have just accepted their fate as dominions of the British crown?

No history doesnt give thatnatural justice does for cololonies which isnt scotland england is a coliony of scotland as england had tbe scottish king imposedon it. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by eFestivals

[mattiloy]

38 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

No history doesnt give thatnatural justice does for cololonies which isnt scotland england is a coliony of scotland as england had tbe scottish king imposedon it. 

’Imposed’ by the death of the childless english monarch and the laws of succession owing to the interbreeding of ancient royal families.

Me I’m more of a democracy man myself. At the point at which the people of Scotland decide that they want to go it alone, then thats good enough for me.

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thought it was shit thread.

Edited April 7, 2021 by steviewevie

[Haan]

45 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Land Value Tax and Media reform was on the agenda, shame they didn't manage to get into the top 8 but good policies all round imo