U.S. Presidential Election

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[MilkyJoe]

33 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

This was the most cringe. It was like they both had no idea what to do.

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[FloopFiller]

9 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

Love this guy. Shame that largely homophonic America would never vote in a gay guy for the presidency because Pete is incredibly clued up and articulate (although what he’s saying here should’ve been incredibly obvious for anybody paying attention - of course it’s the money and tax breaks that have got all the billionaires foaming over Trump’s second term). 

[steviewevie]

41 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

Love this guy. Shame that largely homophonic America would never vote in a gay guy for the presidency because Pete is incredibly clued up and articulate (although what he’s saying here should’ve been incredibly obvious for anybody paying attention - of course it’s the money and tax breaks that have got all the billionaires foaming over Trump’s second term). 

maybe they would if they had a chance to?

he could be VP candidate to Harris?

[steviewevie]

meanwhile Biden still refusing to step aside. Can't help but feel that Democrat party have totally f**ked this.

[MilkyJoe]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

maybe they would if they had a chance to?

he could be VP candidate to Harris?

It doesn't sound like Kamala is by any means a shoe in if Biden does end up stepping down.

[FloopFiller]

17 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

It doesn't sound like Kamala is by any means a shoe in if Biden does end up stepping down.

They’d lose all of the money they’ve raised thus far if she isn’t, but then a shiny new candidate could spark a huge wave of new money coming in. Really is a pickle, and it really does seem like they’ve absolutely f**ked it either way. 

[lazyred]

There's an interesting interview with the political analyst Frank Luntz in the Times. He's Republican but anti Trump.

 

His focus groups suggest there are very few undecided voters left. Based on that he thinks are just 3 states that matter now - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

 

He also has a longish list of Democrats, mostly Governors, who could put up a fight against Trump:

Kamala Harris (vice-president)

Gavin Newsom (governor of California)

Gretchen Whitmer (governor of the must-win state of Michigan)

Josh Shapiro (governor of the must-win state of Pennsylvania)

Wes Moore (governor of Maryland)

Roy Cooper (governor of North Carolina)

Cory Booker (New Jersey senator and a former mayor)

Pete Buttigieg (transportation secretary and a former mayor)

Mitch Landrieu (former mayor of New Orleans).

 

[FloopFiller]

5 minutes ago, lazyred said:

There's an interesting interview with the political analyst Frank Luntz in the Times. He's Republican but anti Trump.

 

His focus groups suggest there are very few undecided voters left. Based on that he thinks are just 3 states that matter now - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

 

He also has a longish list of Democrats, mostly Governors, who could put up a fight against Trump:

Kamala Harris (vice-president)

Gavin Newsom (governor of California)

Gretchen Whitmer (governor of the must-win state of Michigan)

Josh Shapiro (governor of the must-win state of Pennsylvania)

Wes Moore (governor of Maryland)

Roy Cooper (governor of North Carolina)

Cory Booker (New Jersey senator and a former mayor)

Pete Buttigieg (transportation secretary and a former mayor)

Mitch Landrieu (former mayor of New Orleans).

 

Yeah, the idea that there are tons of undecided voters at this point who could change the election result is absurd. At this point, you’re either against Trump or you’re with Trump and have been for some time. Maybe a new Dem candidate could encourage some non-voters to get up and actually vote, but tbh I think the election has been decided a long time ago - we’re just yet to see the results. 

[MilkyJoe]

12 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

They’d lose all of the money they’ve raised thus far if she isn’t, but then a shiny new candidate could spark a huge wave of new money coming in. Really is a pickle, and it really does seem like they’ve absolutely f**ked it either way. 

It's a tough call for them to be honest. I'm still on the fence about Biden, he could yet hang on although it's doubtful he's still going to be in the running by the time of the DNC. I don't understand why they're not jumping all over trump's speech at the moment.

[MilkyJoe]

16 minutes ago, lazyred said:

There's an interesting interview with the political analyst Frank Luntz in the Times. He's Republican but anti Trump.

 

His focus groups suggest there are very few undecided voters left. Based on that he thinks are just 3 states that matter now - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

 

He also has a longish list of Democrats, mostly Governors, who could put up a fight against Trump:

Kamala Harris (vice-president)

Gavin Newsom (governor of California)

Gretchen Whitmer (governor of the must-win state of Michigan)

Josh Shapiro (governor of the must-win state of Pennsylvania)

Wes Moore (governor of Maryland)

Roy Cooper (governor of North Carolina)

Cory Booker (New Jersey senator and a former mayor)

Pete Buttigieg (transportation secretary and a former mayor)

Mitch Landrieu (former mayor of New Orleans).

 

I'm not convinced Shapiro would get the nod as he's Jewish. Potential to lose a lot of votes there. I think Harris or Newsom are the safest bets but personally think Harris would be the better suited to attack trump properly.

[steviewevie]

I think most likely is Harris.

There are no perfect options for any of this, they should have seen this coming and have kind of f**ked it.

[MilkyJoe]

Inclined to agree with Harris. I feel anything else would be too messy.

 

She should offer the VP pick to Kennedy! that would shake things up!😂

[charlierc]

14 hours ago, MilkyJoe said:

Inclined to agree with Harris. I feel anything else would be too messy.

 

She should offer the VP pick to Kennedy! that would shake things up!😂

Well it would certainly confuse and bemuse a lot of people.

 

... but then so does American politics in general.

[charlierc]

15 hours ago, lazyred said:

There's an interesting interview with the political analyst Frank Luntz in the Times. He's Republican but anti Trump.

 

His focus groups suggest there are very few undecided voters left. Based on that he thinks are just 3 states that matter now - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

 

He also has a longish list of Democrats, mostly Governors, who could put up a fight against Trump:

Kamala Harris (vice-president)

Gavin Newsom (governor of California)

Gretchen Whitmer (governor of the must-win state of Michigan)

Josh Shapiro (governor of the must-win state of Pennsylvania)

Wes Moore (governor of Maryland)

Roy Cooper (governor of North Carolina)

Cory Booker (New Jersey senator and a former mayor)

Pete Buttigieg (transportation secretary and a former mayor)

Mitch Landrieu (former mayor of New Orleans).

 

Given some polls even put the usual Democrat stronghold New York in play as a possible either-way, it's possible different people are using different data sets. It's similar to how 538 had a piece this week saying Biden still has a decent shot at winning despite poll after poll looking pretty dire at present.

 

There is a sense though that a week on from that idiot trying to assassinate Trump that there may not have been that much of a bounce securing him the Presidency as first assumed, short of some people at the RNC taking their hero worship to new strange places. Whether it needed all that much of a bounce is another matter ofc, given the Democrats have arguably been the bigger story this week as they're all still shouting at one another.

[steviewevie]

National polls may say not a big loverqll ead by Trump,but I saw a poll with Trump winning in all the key swing states, and if that happens it's a landslide. Biden needs to get over himself and step aside 

[FloopFiller]

I think they just need to drag Biden across the finish line at this point. In a nicer country/world Harris would obviously be an ideal choice to step in, but ain’t no way America is voting in a black female president, especially one thrust in to the race with only four months to get people on her side, and I don’t see anybody else wanting to jump in now either.
 

Biden will probably lose, but he’s also probably their best chance at winning right now, and that’s totally on the Dems (and him) for not making him commit to being a one term president a long time ago like most people assumed he would when he won in 2020. They were foolish for thinking that a 78 year old man wouldn’t soon have health troubles, and that Trump wouldn’t continue to be the Rep nominee and avoid any consequences for his crimes that would stop him from running. 
 

Just gotta hope and pray that the same show of force that turned up to keep Trump out of office last time does the same this time. 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

I think they just need to drag Biden across the finish line at this point. In a nicer country/world Harris would obviously be an ideal choice to step in, but ain’t no way America is voting in a black female president, especially one thrust in to the race with only four months to get people on her side, and I don’t see anybody else wanting to jump in now either.
 

Biden will probably lose, but he’s also probably their best chance at winning right now, and that’s totally on the Dems (and him) for not making him commit to being a one term president a long time ago like most people assumed he would when he won in 2020. They were foolish for thinking that a 78 year old man wouldn’t soon have health troubles, and that Trump wouldn’t continue to be the Rep nominee and avoid any consequences for his crimes that would stop him from running. 
 

Just gotta hope and pray that the same show of force that turned up to keep Trump out of office last time does the same this time. 

Not sure how you get he is their best chance of winning 

[steviewevie]

Anyway, maybe Trump would be better for peace, might not be the sort of peace we want, but less fighting and death. Ukraine war ends and they lose part of their country, China can take Taiwan as long as they don't f**k the chip supply chains, and he may even get a ceasefire in the middle east and win himself a nobel peace prize.. although not sure that deal will include a Palestinian state.

[steviewevie]

and European countries including us will just have to spend more on defence, which is what they're starting to do anyway.

[FloopFiller]

21 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Not sure how you get he is their best chance of winning 

Because Kamala definitely isn’t gonna win, and nobody else is gonna jump in, so it’s Biden. It sucks that it’s come to this, but just seems the most realistic outcome to me right now.

 

Maybe I’m wrong and there is somebody else waiting in the wings wanting to take a shot, but it just seems very foolish from a career standpoint to put yourself in to this mess and possibly f**k up your future chances by getting annihilated by Trump because your were dumb enough to think you could just walk in last minute and win people over. 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

Because Kamala definitely isn’t gonna win, and nobody else is gonna jump in, so it’s Biden. It sucks that it’s come to this, but just seems the most realistic outcome to me right now.

 

Maybe I’m wrong and there is somebody else waiting in the wings wanting to take a shot, but it just seems very foolish from a career standpoint to put yourself in to this mess and possibly f**k up your future chances by getting annihilated by Trump because your were dumb enough to think you could just walk in last minute and win people over. 

Isn't Harris polling better than Biden? The one thing she has going for her as far as I can tell is that she can walk and talk.