Rightfield

[knivesout]

Sorry sir, I'll tug my forelocks to my betters and do as they want me to.

Hahahahaha

[ukdaasfan]

Well as much fun as this has been. I'm off to sleep. Have fun!

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Pretty interesting quote from Michael Eavis:

"We try and stay true to the values the festival has always had"

[ThomThomDrum]

Passion with just a smidgen of contempt There is one thread like this every year. I wouldn't miss it for the world. All part of the eFestivals experience.

[eFestivals]

you really need to escape from your own rectum one of these days

nobody, except yourself, is claiming superiority over another here

except the person who is trying to have the debate framed only within language they feel to be reasonable, of course.

If more people spoke their minds - or perhaps found their minds - then we might end up with the sort of country that nearly everyone claims to want but which a large number then vote against on election day.

[formed a band]

I've never got why other peoples wealth bothers them so much. Especially from those who claim to have no interest in capital

[eFestivals]

I've never got why other peoples wealth bothers them so much. Especially from those who claim to have no interest in capital

it's not other people's wealth that bothers me, but the effect their extreme, unearned and undeserved wealth has in causing poverty and lack of opportunities for others.

I've just read a piece which says that even labour voters support the idea of a welfare state much less than they used to .... and yet while there's this perception of people living it up on the dole (created by a right wing media for their own benefit, just in case that had passed you by) almost no-one can actually find these people who public opinion seems to believe number 2M+.

The simple fact is that for all the while we have such high unemployment we are going to have high benefit bills unless we're going to happy to see people dying on the streets from starvation.

People go on about "the winter of discontent" and how many days were lost to strikes - and yet barely a comment is made of the fact that for each of the 30+ years since a thousand times the number of working days have been lost by unemployment.

We can have full employment if we want to, and no benefit cheats. The unemployment we have was created by and for the very rich, with the added bonus of ever-growing tax cuts as the poor turn on each other and let the rich walk away with the cash.

You get what you vote for. If you vote for corruption and robbery, that's what you get. And that's what we've got.

Edited May 14, 2013 by eFestivals

[russycarps]

I've never got why other peoples wealth bothers them so much. Especially from those who claim to have no interest in capital

[ThomThomDrum]

I think this belongs here

[ukdaasfan]

it's not other people's wealth that bothers me, but the effect their extreme, unearned and undeserved wealth has in causing poverty and lack of opportunities for others.

I've just read a piece which says that even labour voters support the idea of a welfare state much less than they used to .... and yet while there's this perception of people living it up on the dole (created by a right wing media for their own benefit, just in case that had passed you by) almost no-one can actually find these people who public opinion seems to believe number 2M+.

The simple fact is that for all the while we have such high unemployment we are going to have high benefit bills unless we're going to happy to see people dying on the streets from starvation.

People go on about "the winter of discontent" and how many days were lost to strikes - and yet barely a comment is made of the fact that for each of the 30+ years since a thousand times the number of working days have been lost by unemployment.

We can have full employment if we want to, and no benefit cheats. The unemployment we have was created by and for the very rich, with the added bonus of ever-growing tax cuts as the poor turn on each other and let the rich walk away with the cash.

You get what you vote for. If you vote for corruption and robbery, that's what you get. And that's what we've got.

[wilko8]

and no holocaust jokes today? I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies.

[russycarps]

Unfortunately you're wrong. A different source this time though.

[wilko8]

At a previous job I've been involved career days at schools in under privileged areas. It was eye opening to say the least. 10/11 year old kids telling you how they're going to have babies to get a house. And probably multiple babies to multiple fathers because then there's a better chance of getting money from at least one of them.

Kids who think that benefits are free money from the government (I.e. not understanding it comes from other people's tax) and parents who share the same viewpoint.

Scary, scary stuff.

For all the vulnerable/unfortunate folks the need and deserve to be looked after, there are people who take the piss and ruin it for decent folk.

In the same way that evil greedy bankers ensure that hard working decent folk get tarred with the 'raving right' brush.

I'm kind of in the middle. The vulnerable should be looked after because the mark of a civilised society is how you treat the people who are most in need. But I believe hard graft should be rewarded and scrounging should not.

I'm yet to hear a decent pro socialist argument yet. Just a lot of anti right noise.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Totting up the amount of money lost to the UK by benefit fraud versus the amount lost by multinational corporations doing business in the UK not paying any taxes might be a decent place to start.

[wilko8]

Totting up the amount of money lost to the UK by benefit fraud versus the amount lost by multinational corporations doing business in the UK not paying any taxes might be a decent place to start.

[russycarps]

the amount of money claimed by so-called "scroungers" is insignificant.

[CaledonianGonzo]

It would certainly demonstrate how "useful" people's anecdotes about benefit scroungers are in terms of addressing the actual economic impact on the UK:

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6348/economics/cost-of-benefit-fraud-v-tax-evasion-in-uk/

[wilko8]

the amount of money claimed by so-called "scroungers" is insignificant.

[russycarps]

So by that logic, me stealing £100 from you would be fine because someone stole £30m worth of diamonds from Brussels airport in February.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

For all the vulnerable/unfortunate folks the need and deserve to be looked ater, there are people who take the piss and ruin it for decent folk.

I'm yet to hear a decent pro socialist argument yet. Just a lot of anti right noise.

[TheGreenDropsRule]

the amount of money claimed by so-called "scroungers" is insignificant.

[eFestivals]

Totting up the amount of money lost to the UK by benefit fraud versus the amount lost by multinational corporations doing business in the UK not paying any taxes might be a decent place to start.

it's a great place to start - and the treasuries own figures put tax fraud at 50 times the amount as benefit fraud.

Meanwhile, the banks have been untouched since 2007, and are still free to bankrupt the country. So why the focus on benefits?

The answer is of course ideology and not evidence or need.

[formed a band]

why would we care what a racist homophobe like you thinks?

and no holocaust jokes today? I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies.

[russycarps]

I like your agenda . You must be a scouser! What was the holocaust joke? I know I quoted the libertines but dont let that get in the way of getting a t shirt printed

I think the most recent holocaust reference was from Neil, I apologetically and very vaguely paraphrase but the jist was those slightly to the right can't wait to get the showers back on . I'm sure he was being flippant though so I wont take too much from it

[mrtourette]

Sorry, I prefer not to engage in conversation with racist homophobes who find the holocaust amusing. Call me fussy