Rightfield

[eFestivals]

You lefties just keep avoiding the questions you can't/don't want to answer.

just because you might not like the answers doesn't mean there are no answers.

Do you know that there's more benefit fraud investigators than there are tax inspectors?

Care to tell me why that might be?

[Teddington]

there's not - because all the politicians have their own fingers in the till, and the average person is too bothered about someone down the road stealing a penny from them whilst not caring that the rich are carrying away wheelbarrows of their cash.

[russycarps]

I think you have misunderstood.

My point is that the governement would love to extract as much tax as possible from companies such as Starbucks and Amazon, but given what they are doing is legal, it's not quite as simple as waving a magic wand.

The fact that 2 of this sites sponsors are amongst the very worst "tax dodgers" in the UK, despite the anti-capitalism, anti- tax dodger stance that you take, is evidence of how difficult it is to "wave that magic wand".

If anyone on here has a way to generate more tax for the revenue I suggest writing in to them. They would bite your hand off.

[mrtourette]

Are you serious? NO ONE doubts these figures. Even the most dyed in the wool Tory will admit these figures are true.

[Teddington]

just because you might not like the answers doesn't mean there are no answers.

Do you know that there's more benefit fraud investigators than there are tax inspectors?

Care to tell me why that might be?

[Teddington]

Illegal tax evasion is a much bigger problem than legal tax avoidance.

Avoidance (legal) £25Bn

Evasion (illegal) £70Bn.

[eFestivals]

Who is arguing that benefit fraud is a bigger problem than tax evasion?? No one.

who is arguing that benefit fraud needs addressing while ignoring tax fraud? The right.

Are all you lefties in support of Dave's stance on tax evasion? Cracking down on tax havens etc?

PMSL - yep, the man who's family fortuine has been gained by tax fraud is really going to do that, eh? And all his Eton chums who also run away with YOUR cash will support their ribbed money being taken back, eh?

If you care to read the foriegn presas, you'll get to discover that it's the UK which is stopping oither countries addressing tax fraud, because the UK is now the world's biggest tax fraud cebntre.

Yep, that's right - the UK is now a banana republic criminal tax haven. We're even enshrining that criminality in law!!

[mrtourette]

if the treasury are happy to say that they're failing in their tax collection duties by £75Bn, then the likelihood is that it's much MUCH bigger than that amount.

You hear the govt's numbers on benefit fraud all the time in the media, but only rarely do you hear the govts numbers on tax fraud - and that's got nothing to do with tax fraud being of benefit to those owning and controlling the media of course.

Edited May 14, 2013 by mrtourette

[eFestivals]

Whereas some so called socialists from the Labour party have NEVER had their noses in the trough when the opportunity presented itself eh?

where did you miss me saying "all politicians"?

But typical nutty right wing unprincipled views - others are doing it, so that makes it OK for me to do it.

If you live by no principles that what you'll get. The rich are never going to let a oik like you into their exclusive club because you don't understand the rules of their criminal club.

[eFestivals]

Easier to get the money?

Tax fraud is an interesting moral area.

You ask a plumber to do some work for you and pay him "cash in hand" on a Saturday morning.

Assuming he doesn't declare it this is tax fraud, and you are party to it.

do please tell me when it was written into law that you are criminally responsible for the criminality of any people you meet.

And do keep on standing up for tax fraud - it's the only policy that the unprincipled right have anyway.

[Teddington]

where did you miss me saying "all politicians"?

But typical nutty right wing unprincipled views - others are doing it, so that makes it OK for me to do it.

If you live by no principles that what you'll get. The rich are never going to let a oik like you into their exclusive club because you don't understand the rules of their criminal club.

[siblin]

When our glorious leader announces a cut in the top rate of tax as his measure for dealing with tax avoidance/evasion i begin to lose respect for his "commitment to dealing with the problem". As far as i can the govt paid lip service to that until a suitable scapegoat could be found.

Oh and on the distintion between avoidance and evasion - legal immorality is still immorality.

[eFestivals]

I'm not doubting that, but my point is the treasury is not the government and that governmet are likely to 'off-set' these tax losses with the benfits gained by not outlawing what is currently frowned upon. I'm not saying it's right, but it's very rare that such a simple set of figures are enough to give a genuinely realistic view of the situation.

the treasury is a department of govt.

But with such fucking nutty views, it's no fucking wonder they find it so easy to give their mates YOUR money with your approval.

Basically, if your argument is "OMG, the gov lost £75bn in tax evasion but only £3bn in benefit fraud, how can anyone be so stupid as to not see what the problem is" then yo're either conveniently only taking certain numbers to back up an argument or taking a very simplistic approach to the whole affair.

Or I'm getting to the heart of the matter which people like you try and divert people from because of your gross ignorance.

Things only happen when there is the political will for them to happen. There will never be that political will for all the while people like you say everything is fine.

Edited May 14, 2013 by eFestivals

[wilko8]

who is arguing that benefit fraud needs addressing while ignoring tax fraud? The right.

PMSL - yep, the man who's family fortuine has been gained by tax fraud is really going to do that, eh? And all his Eton chums who also run away with YOUR cash will support their ribbed money being taken back, eh?

If you care to read the foriegn presas, you'll get to discover that it's the UK which is stopping oither countries addressing tax fraud, because the UK is now the world's biggest tax fraud cebntre.

Yep, that's right - the UK is now a banana republic criminal tax haven. We're even enshrining that criminality in law!!

[Midnight Man]

What might this Rightfield look like? Given that most of this thread has been monopolised by lefties whinging about tax avoidance, and what they perceive as the other iniquities of modern day Britain, perhaps we should try and be a little less negative and consider what the Right might bring to the festival tent?

A few ideas to kick us off. How about:

*'Pyramid Selling' -Does the Pyramid Stage need a Golden Circle? Some people work hard for their money, and that should be reflected in the options available when attending a festival. Plus the extra some might be willing to pay for VIP access would fund some of the facilities currently paid for in the general admission, and drive down the ticket price for everyone. Job done? Discuss.

*Investment lessons - with this monstrous deficit hanging over Britain (legacy of the last Labour government etc) like the Jet Stream in the summer, we all need to make difficult decisions about our future. Surely some financial advisors could spare a little time to explain the intricacies of pension planning to concerned festival goers.

*History lessons - we all know how appalling most young people's knowledge of British history is. What better place to start reversing the process than at a Glasto summer camp? Could include a 'Kings and Queens of Merrie England' quiz, with a spell in the stocks for the most ignorant - just for fun.

* Climatology - we all know we've had a few gloomy summers recently. Predictably this has lead to all sorts of people shrieking about how it's all down to 'man-made' climate change (feminists excused as usual). Well, there are plenty of people who think otherwise and it would be great if they were given a chance to address the great unwashed.

*Camp exercises. Far too many people at Glastonbury - and other festivals - waste a large portion of the day lying in bed because they overdid it the night before. A bit of circuit training - military boot camp style - will shake them out of their torpor and allow them to make the most of their time off work. It's great fun as well. Not compulsory. Maybe roll it out in the family fields to start? Could also have a rugby sevens tournament, and maybe a cricket match if Eavis gets the roller out. Note that he has fields promoting 'Green' activities - which not all of us agree with - but no facility to play cricket - a game loved by millions all over the world.

*'Dark Side of the Tune?' How the music business really works - a discussion led by right-thinking individuals about the capitalist principles that lie behind the production and distribution of all great music. Should spark lively debate.

* 'Johnny Marr would like to apologise' - JM will be invited to attend and explain why the heck David Cameron shouldn't include his music in a Desert Island Discs selection and why he is disrespecting the highest office in the land.

*'Keep Mum'.And to round off the weekend, a communal outing to what will undoubtedly be, musically speaking, the festival highlight - Mumford & Sons on Sunday night.

Slogan - 'So Wrong it's Rightfield'?

[Teddington]

I'm confused Efests.

As far as I can see everyone wants to crack down on benefit fraud.

[ThomThomDrum]

What might this Rightfield look like? Given that most of this thread has been monopolised by lefties whinging about tax avoidance, and what they perceive as the other iniquities of modern day Britain, perhaps we should try and be a little less negative and consider what the Right might bring to the festival tent?

A few ideas to kick us off. How about:

*'Pyramid Selling' -Does the Pyramid Stage need a Golden Circle? Some people work hard for their money, and that should be reflected in the options available when attending a festival. Plus the extra some might be willing to pay for VIP access would fund some of the facilities currently paid for in the general admission, and drive down the ticket price for everyone. Job done? Discuss.

*Investment lessons - with this monstrous deficit hanging over Britain (legacy of the last Labour government etc) like the Jet Stream in the summer, we all need to make difficult decisions about our future. Surely some financial advisors could spare a little time to explain the intricacies of pension planning to concerned festival goers.

*History lessons - we all know how appalling most young people's knowledge of British history is. What better place to start reversing the process than at a Glasto summer camp? Could include a 'Kings and Queens of Merrie England' quiz, with a spell in the stocks for the most ignorant - just for fun.

* Climatology - we all know we've had a few gloomy summers recently. Predictably this has lead to all sorts of people shrieking about how it's all down to 'man-made' climate change (feminists excused as usual). Well, there are plenty of people who think otherwise and it would be great if they were given a chance to address the great unwashed.

*Camp exercises. Far too many people at Glastonbury - and other festivals - waste a large portion of the day lying in bed because they overdid it the night before. A bit of circuit training - military boot camp style - will shake them out of their torpor and allow them to make the most of their time off work. It's great fun as well. Not compulsory. Maybe roll it out in the family fields to start? Could also have a rugby sevens tournament, and maybe a cricket match if Eavis gets the roller out. Note that he has fields promoting 'Green' activities - which not all of us agree with - but no facility to play cricket - a game loved by millions all over the world.

*'Dark Side of the Tune?' How the music business really works - a discussion led by right-thinking individuals about the capitalist principles that lie behind the production and distribution of all great music. Should spark lively debate.

* 'Johnny Marr would like to apologise' - JM will be invited to attend and explain why the heck David Cameron shouldn't include his music in a Desert Island Discs selection and why he is disrespecting the highest office in the land.

*'Keep Mum'.And to round off the weekend, a communal outing to what will undoubtedly be, musically speaking, the festival highlight - Mumford & Sons on Sunday night.

Slogan - 'So Wrong it's Rightfield'?

[russycarps]

I'm not doubting that, but my point is the treasury is not the government and that governmet are likely to 'off-set' these tax losses with the benfits gained by not outlawing what is currently frowned upon. I'm not saying it's right, but it's very rare that such a simple set of figures are enough to give a genuinely realistic view of the situation.

Basically, if your argument is "OMG, the gov lost £75bn in tax evasion but only £3bn in benefit fraud, how can anyone be so stupid as to not see what the problem is" then yo're either conveniently only taking certain numbers to back up an argument or taking a very simplistic approach to the whole affair.

[russycarps]

I'm confused Efests.

As far as I can see everyone wants to crack down on benefit fraud.

[Teddington]

It really is that simplistic though. It's not complicated to work out the cost of tax avoidance/evasion.

It's really easy. That's why no one (apart from you) deny the figures are correct.

[Apone]

Billy Bragg and Tony Benn do spout a lot of socialist utopian nonsense, funnier than than the comedy tent sometimes

Edited May 14, 2013 by Apone

[mrtourette]

the treasury is a department of govt.

But with such fucking nutty views, it's no fucking wonder they find it so easy to give their mates YOUR money with your approval.

[Big Vern]

Sorry, I prefer not to engage in conversation with racist homophobes who find the holocaust amusing. Call me fussy

[mrtourette]

It really is that simplistic though. It's not complicated to work out the cost of tax avoidance/evasion.

It's really easy. That's why no one (apart from you) deny the figures are correct.

[russycarps]

lol coming from the person who branded ALL police c**ts. Selective blind prejudiced at it's worst.